It would be interesting to see how many of these deaths involved a legally owned firearm.

None in NH. 12 in MA.

How about background checks on purchasers?

Right on,F.R.!!! Gaurino is an IDIOT!!!! He,also,gets his news from Jon Stewart! Completely an ignoramus,both of them!!!

Except I was quoting Jon Stewart's opinion, not the news. Mourice keep continue posting and make a bigger fool of yourself.

Ray Guana>Jon stewart IS NEWS for you Libtards! Learn to spell correctly,as well as,correct grammar in your reply! It makes YOU a BIGGER FOOL to show your public school indoctrination,including your lack of class!

Maurice,
nice ad hominem and a temper tantrum to boot.

You have nothing to add to the conversation, except to indicate to the rest of the world that you don't have the ability to reason and you can't have a civil conversation.

RAY GUANA>>> Au contraire,RAY GUANA. I,thoroughly,enjoyed wasting my time on you,and with you,today. Now,go back to sleep.
BYE,BYE.

And many of those proposals include databases for the mentally Ill. Something I support 100%. Although thru debate with liberals on other forums it appears many of them are opposed to the idea.

Save many more lives including children's lives. Ban automobiles. Of course these children's deaths all accidental deaths, are tragic. The fact is that if the current laws on guns were enforced this gun related death rate would dwindle. Laws are not the answer enforcement is.

"laws are not the answer, enforcement is"

Except that the laws are enforced, and the NRA does everything it can to lobby Repulicans so that these laws are inneffective.

As Jon Stewart says, can you write a law that criminals will follow?

@Ray,
Sorry but the laws are not enforced. Minimum mandatory sentences are routinely dismissed. It is disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

Apljak,
you are dishonest in your argument, consider that our prisons are overflowing. We have the highest incarceration rate of industrilaized nations.

Just because criminals break the law, that does not mean that they are not enforced. As Jon Stewart said, has there ever been a law passed that criminals follow?

Apljak,
also, you decieve people when you don't admit that the NRA does everything it can to prevent existing laws from working.

Ray,
I am not saying that drug laws, B&E's, sexual assault, etc... aren't being enforced. i am saying that plea deals, liberal judges, and overcrowded jails present a situation where the sentences aren't as harsh as they should be. If the jails were overcrowded with criminals that were gun offenders, then I would be up front in line petitioning for more jails!

Ray, how does the NRA have anything to do with the judges and prosecutors who chose to give short sentences for crimes that involved a gun ( oh it wasn't loaded...oh, he didn't shoot anyone, etc...) when just for being in possession of it during the crime he should have gotten 3 times the sentence?!

Apljak,
the NRA has a lot to do with weakening the laws already in place, to refuse to believe that is to live in denial.

The Republicans they have in their pockets refuse to allow the president for over two years to put in place the head of the ATF

These are just more toothless and ineffective Executive Orders (not proposals) that will do little or nothing to combat the most pervasive gun crimes, most of which involves illegally gotten handguns. Mass shootings are quite rare and you cannot legislate "crazy", pardon the term.
AS for the ATF director, The lack of one had nothing to do with Fast and Furious nor with Newtown.And I am glad that another Obama crony wasn't confirmed. He was so successful in Chicago that he should be in charge Nationally? NOT!

So your against background checks?

So make sure those people who have guns ARE trained and responsible! Right?

Jan,

"So make sure those people who have guns ARE trained and responsible! "

Betcha Dollars to Donuts Christopher Dorner's Training and "Background Check" are second to none----

"Did any of these guns get up and shoot anyone by themselves? It's the irresponsible and/or crazy people who use the guns to kill that are the problem."

Right, the guns didn't shoot themselves at the innocent, it was crazy people that did it. For example in Alabama last week a crazed anti-government nut job who hated the government and loved guns and built himself a bunker to protect himself from a government who he thought was out to get him, murdered a school bus driver and took a kid hostage.

It was the government, FBI agents who risked their lives, went down in the antiovernment bunker and save the kid.

The government saved the child.

Then you are supporting his point?the guns don't kill, it is the ,mentally unstable.
And yes, a fine example of government performing one of it's most fundamental tasks.
It is too bad that the police and other first responders are always competing for dollars as other tax revenues are depleted on other programs that are not fundamental!

"...a fine example of government performing one of it's most fundamental tasks.
It is too bad that the police and other first responders are always competing for dollars as other tax revenues are depleted on other programs that are not fundamental!"

So then why do you government haters want to defund the government?
...

I don't want to defund government. I want my tax dollars used for what they are supposed to be used for. schools, police, welfaree for the truly needy, infrastructure, military, etc... and not WASTING it on all the other entitlement malarkey.

"I don't want to defund government. I want my tax dollars used for what they are supposed to be used for. schools, police, welfaree for the truly needy, infrastructure, military, etc... and not WASTING it on all the other entitlement malarkey."

You are full of bull Mr. Applejak
...

Ray,
Ouch, that hurt!
Full of Bull, for my beliefs or something else you know about me?

"...as if the deaths in Newtown were the big problem."

To 26 families it IS the big problem, and the lives of innocent children are not secondary to your unfettered exercise of the Second Amendment.

"Don't Drone me Bro!"

Non Sequitor.

How many innocent Vietnamese men, women, children killed in Vietnam or Iraq?

Gary Patton, Now tell us which of your "new gun safety laws" would have prevented the listed events. We would appreciate honesty in your writing; that you want to eviscerate or outright repeal the Second Amendment, and have no qualms about leveraging the deaths of children to further your agenda.

So we shouldn't do background checks because someone might try to get around it?
Do you even hear how ridiculous you sound?

America's Drone Strike Policy

Least he wasn`t a victim of enhanced interrogation or waterboarding

"ANybody keeping track of these statistics?"

Actually, it's not a thing that's happening on a regular basis, so your question is asinine. There are no stats to keep.

The only people keeping track of unintentional killing of innocent people through drone stikes under Obama are racists like you who hate Obama, You didn't care when Bush was president, and if Romney was president, you would't care. So basically, you are a phony.

One of the few things that I support of the president's policies. And then there are the phony Dems that now support an even larger drone policy that they were totally against President Bush. Talk about hypocrisy!

Apljak,

The 'larger drone policy" exists in your imagination.

President Bush had the highest approval rating of any American President ever.

Not "gun" but "rifle." More than half of US murders are by gun, but almost none are by rifle -- fewer than by blunt instrument or even with no weapon (e.g., fists).

So do the Republicans do anything to stop this carnage? Oh that's right, the NRA owns the Republican Party. The Republican Prty is in the back pocket of the NRA.

Oh yeah, right. You can start with the criminals we already have- make sure they serve their full sentences. Make sure judges are held responsible to do their jobs. You will find you will need less "if" solutions to what you see as the problem.

Criminals and those intent on harm will always fins a way to get their hands on all the guns they want. Criminals, by definition, are just that - criminals.

"If the Republican Party is in the NRA's pocket, you better let the Democrat(ic) members of the NRA know."

Yelow dog Democrats are just that, scared puppies, afraid of the NRA lobbyists, and they already know who they are.

A 16 year old child was executed for breaking and entering, That's "EXACTLY AS IT SHOULD BE"?

Really.......age doesn't matter. A 16 year old can make you just as dead as a 50 year old. When your life is threatened, you have a right to defend yourself. Or are you going to tell me that if a kid comes after you with a weapon, you're gonna talk nicely to him and convince him not to harm you?

This 16 year old was stealing a VCR, should he be dead because he tried to steal a VCR?

Mr/Ms. Really-

"the 36-year-old homeowner arrived home to find four men ransacking the property.

As the suspects were fleeing the home, one of the suspects approached the homeowner, who fired one round at the teen from his handgun."

Did this subject, the only one of the four that didn't flee, approach the homeowner asking for the VCR Manual or Extended Warranty? or maybe he was just telling him that he was just there to steal a VCR?

We have no idea what happened in that house.
We do know that a homeowner saw that his house had been broken into, and because he had his shinny new pistol, he decided to enter the building before allowing police to arrive maybe with the hopes that he would get to shoot someone.

Should you be allowed to kill someone if the approach you in your home?
With New Hampshire's Shoot First Laws, should you be able to kill someone if the approach you on the street?

Maybe you need to read the law a little better!

I don't think asking PC to read the law is going to help, you right wing crazies have an aversion to reality and facts.

@Really,
I will specify as to avoid confusing you (jk, I got the sarcasm),
If you read the facts and acknowledge the realities of the law, you would understand that you just can't shoot anybody.
What it does mean is that my wife (or someone like her) need not turn her back on an attacker to flee the scene, thus putting her at even more risk, and protect herself where she stands!
Amazing that NH hasn't hasn't been reduced to the gunfights of the Old West since it passed, isn't it? All of the fear, loathing and demagoguery haven't yet occurred like you thought!

We are talking about an actual case Apple, read the whole thread.
A guy in Arizona killed a boy because he allegedly "approached him" in his home.
PC and Hill believe the child deserved to die, do you?

Really,
I have followed the thread...I get the gist of it.
Your use of boy and child are very strategic. I will show you some 16 year old "children" that will make you need a change of underwear!
If I were in the same situation, 4 people breaking in my home, and I pointed my weapon at them with the declaration that I was armed, police were on the way and I will shoot them if they didn't leave immediately,--if 3 fled but a fourth one was coming at me and wouldn't stop--Yes, that person deserves to become a victim instead of making me one.
Did he deserve to die for breaking in, well that is a question for a higher authority. Did the homeowner have a right to shoot, ABSOLUTELY! Maybe the other three will think better of breaking breaking into people's homes in the future!

Really,
BTW, you do realize that it was you that mentioned "shoot first" and distracted from the "actual case" discussion" right?

All in democratic run cities/states. How revealing is that.

Lots of crazies out there. What do you propose to do about restricting their access to weapons and ammunition?

Many of these are accidental. One cannot ban guns because some owners are careless with them just as one cannot ban cars due to accidents that are caused by some owners being careless...

What is in Obama's 23 point plan that would reduce accidental gun deaths?

Jan,

Where's the "rest of the story" for each of these events?

Is it Cherry Picking Season already???

1. No one is is talking about banning guns.
2. The information IS cherry picked... Obviously.. This shows you the bad side of our gun culture proponents are trying to keep from you. Embrace it as truth, hard to accept, and part of the path of finding a solution.
3. The information is available. Read it and find your answer. And if you don't see it there, suggest number 24. We have to all work together to fix this, because its more than a few dead children.... it's a national disgrace.

Jan,

But the only solution that is getting addressed here is weapon reform.

What about Mental Health Treatment revisions? Or the wanton violence in Video Games, Music, TV and Movies?

An "Artist" by the name of Temper, Temper is releasing their newest CD tomorrow called "A Bullet for my Valentine"---Hmmm better than chocolate and flowers--whats the message here?? Oh yea First Amendant Rights! Can't question that.

THe administration pushes these issues onto the CDCf or study? Maybe because the "Media Moguls" "Entertainers" and "Artists" are the biggest vocal and monetary supporters of the current administration like the NRA Lobby on the otherside? ,

I know what the "information" is the issue needs a more comprehensive solution

We can see the data by age group, gender, state and date. I'd like to see how many deaths were accidental and how many involved legal vs. illegal guns...

Maybe you would agree that the NRA's efforts to stifle research on this subject should end?

The ugly campaign by the NRA to shut down studies at the CDC.
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/12/gun_violence_research_nra_and_congress_blocked_gun_control_studies_at_cdc.html

Really, Do you really use Slate as a legitimate source for your news?? Really??

Apple Jack,
Do you not trust Slate as a source?
Because they use big words?
Or they are not afraid to find the truth?

Really,
The words are fine, it's the order in which they are placed.
They may be unafraid to find ther truth, but they have yet to have any luck doing so!
I just think they are a progressive cesspool.

I's sure someone as indoctrinated as you wouldn't be able see truth if it hit you in the face.

Probably not, as you are the only enlightened one...

It seems you are the one who chooses who's opinion is valid Apple. You have rejected ten sources today alone. Elitist.

Really,
It is called critical thinking. You should try it! You may not have fallen prey to all of the progressive influence that has jaundiced your view of personal Liberty!

If only the CDC were allowed to study the data we might know.

Obamas Death Panels will kill more than guns.

Anything suggested, recommended or proposed by the White House is suspect.

We have been saying it for yrs. ENFORCE THE LAWS WE ALREADY HAVE. Then the anti brush it off as nonsense. Yet 1/2 the stuff some folks want are already laws.

Jan,
Why do you call them ideas and proposals, they are Executive Orders signed by the President as an emotional response (and maybe political astuteness)?

Apple Jack,
Obama signed 23 executive "actions", not "orders".
"Executive Actions" are merely ideas and proposals.

Did you really not know that?

Really,
Actually I didn't.
That explains a lot.
I appreciate the heads up. As they say, no question is a stupid question.
Thanks!

There are no stupid questions, Just stupid people who ask them.

Now I see it, a troll in hiding...

Maurice,
Yes, you neocons are all victims of hate. You have a victim mentality.

You think you can bully and insult people but when people push back, you whine. You can dish it out, but make a big tantrum when people push back.

Stop whining.

Keep posting your rubbish, it grows your reputation as a fool.

Whoa... Talk about hate filled comments!

Or is this humor, sometimes it's hard to tell. It sounds like a parody of the Fox headlines.

@ ray Guarino - The conservatives whine???? The conservatives??? You liberals are something else. What, I don't know......but you are certainly something else. Lies, distortions, fabricated "facts" are your trademarks. Mention anything negative about Obama and the guaranteed response is "racist". Living in a self-constructed world of illusion and fantasy, you're about as far removed from reality as humanly possible.

Tell us about your "Obama's Gay Friends" theory PC, and we will see who is nuts in this conversation.

"Jon Stewart....Ricky Madcow.....Chrissy Tingles....Sgt. Shultz"

Hmmmmm these are all of Christopher Dorner's favorites---

Isn't Christopher Dorner just exercising his second amendment rights?

Ditto!

This page is riddled with gun nuts requests for more data.

Thankfully most Americans know the difference between an "action" and an "order"

Most American's couldn't tell you who the Vice President, let alone the difference between an order and an action.
You are such en elitist!

Yes, "elitists" always suggest that they are in agreement with the majority?.....

I just meant that because I was uninformed about the actions vs orders...Most people couldn't even tell you what an executive order is...they would think it's Obama's takeout...
Your suggestion that it is common knowledge is a slur. I might suggest the same to you that you were unaware of the difference between Federal Deficit and National Debt...
More people probably know the difference between those two things than orders and actions.

Thankfully most Americans are not right wing puppets like yourself.

No, it is called being a Constitutionalist...I am registered Independent! This republican Party may not have all of the answers but the Democratic Party is far from a viable option for me!

"Constitutionalist" Funny. Are you talking about America's Constitution?

Really,
Oh are you going to start parsing the punctuation of the Second Amendment for us too?

Really,
Salon, Slate, ProRepublica...politically diverse, huh?! How easy to see the results of voluntary indoctrination.
Why are you not speaking out about Fast ans furious? Why are you an apologist for the ATF?
If you think that government is your friend, you are sadly mistake. The majority of our politicians from both parties are entirely self serving and too much power in any of their hands is dangerous to our liberties.

Where do you get your news Apple? The Granite Crock?

I try and listen to many stations (not just Fox...) including MSNBC, CNN but mostly network.
What is Granite Crock (or some derivation of the slur)? Union Leader? if so, yes I read that when I can.
Mostly Google News...

Google News? How easy to see the results of voluntary indoctrination.

I know, I have to disregard those very sites like Salon, Slate, etc...LOL

'Why are you not speaking out about Fast ans furious[sic]?"
I have, its a shame that the ATF had to sit idle while watching guns they knew would end up in criminals hand go because of all the lax laws the NRA pushed through, hamstringing their ability to stop it.
"Their greatest difficulty by far, however, was convincing prosecutors that they had sufficient grounds to seize guns and arrest straw purchasers. By June 2010 the agents had sent the U.S. Attorney's office a list of 31 suspects they wanted to arrest, with 46 pages outlining their illegal acts. But for the next seven months prosecutors did not indict a single suspect."
http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/

Let me guess, Fortune Magazine isn't neutral enough for you either......

Fortune should stick with financial advice and leave CNN to their politics...

I can see your criteria for news now. If it supports your crazy right wing conspiracies, its a valid source.

Really,
That's about right...right, get it...lol
Maybe I should say correct...
Actually, I would like to think I am open-minded enough to change my view when facts present something to the contrary.

Your comment seems vacuous.
Take away all of the clips you want, I will just load my magazines by hand.
Extended magazines allow for more convenient practice at the range so no, I am not okay with you anti-gunners taking them away.
Anyone familiar with firearms knows that an AR-15 is only the best weapon of choice for a small set of circumstances. These mass killings by the deranged are far better suited for handguns. You guys are uninformed and just don't get it. The AR-15 has become the poster child for gun control only because it looks scary.
As for the anti-gov't groups, are you suggesting that they shouldn't have their 1st Amendment rights because they are scary also?
Personally, I am disgusted by many of these peoples/groups beliefs but I also fear that far more damage is done to our rights and liberties by a government that tramples on our Constitutional rights and subverts the legislative process!

More government handouts.......

Sure you want them for every other little ill or need of society...why not just get on the wagon like everyone else because it is getting pretty damn hard pulling it with the minority of people out here!

How does this solve folks with mental illness getting access to guns?

FTP,
It doesn't. I don't think there is a feasible solution. In fact, I think that now that the spotlight is being put on mental illness and tunes, there will be far more people foregoing treatment for fear of losing their ability to own a firearm.
Sorry to be the voice of doom and gloom but banning AR-15's and 30 round magazines is far from the answer!

Your argument is as long as criminals want to commit crimes, they will, so why bother making it difficult?