The problem is, Agenda 21 is not pushing church food banks.. and no one said it was an international 'conspiracy'. It is an international fact as put forth in the very book pictured above at the beginning of the article. To say it doesn't exist is ridiculous, as I am holding the book in my lap at this very moment.

To this day we have never found anyone LOCAL requesting the draconian measures suggested by some of these Regional Planning Commissions and especially not the goals of the Water Sustainability Commission -- a travesty which was set up by executive order of Governor Lynch upon request by another outsider group, not the citizens.

ICLEI (www.iclei.org) is the UN's outreach group to the cities by which they hope to directly interact with the Mayors in order to by pass local government. Their Agenda is outlined in the book you see above. (References to the words are being scrubbed from the websites of the UN as we speak, and the book is out of print, but I have a copy)

cont'd from below

2012 Legislative Action Priorities:
#1. Support taxpayer funding of regional governance (You pay for your own demise)
#4. Promote themselves as priority partners (Crony capitalism again)

I could go on but you get the picture -- it's more money, more control, more loss of rights.... and all coming from above with NO authority.

You're mixing apples & oranges so as to confuse the issue.

Taxpayers provide money for cities to pay ICLEI DUES. That's right. No one asked for this kind of 'help'. ICLEI is no fool...

Reducing poverty to these outsider groups translates into taxing resources higher so that more wealth can be redistributed. Once again just another "spread the wealth regionally" scheme by overriding local gov't.

As I stated before, NO mention of private charitable methods to reduce poverty (such as church food banks) in these materials from Agenda 21/Feds. NONE. The only 'conspiracy theory' here is that we even need to do any of these things or that any of the subjects of their 'scare tactics' are even valid, such as water shortages and transportation needs.

I am not sure what your idea of 'real issues' are that legislators need to address but I can guess they include raising taxes to solve "problems" that do not exist? Such as taking away the parental rights with regard to education and homeschooling? Raising taxes on fuel oil, a tax on the poor? Instituting an income tax? Forcing people to pay a tax just to work? Banning fireworks? Making sure my right to vote is NOT protected from non-residents? Making sure I can't defend myself in my own home? Raising gas taxes which also hurts the working poor? Changing the name of 'schools in need of improvement' to some other PC title that gives no clue?

Right. Real Important. Not.

Teaparty types have been brainwashed into believing local and regional initiatives are somehow beholden to some international conspiracy led by the UN. Agenda 21 is a set of rational guidelines/suggestions for the 21st century at the global level. There is nothing nefarious included in agenda 21.

Religious conservatives, conspiracy NWO types and other anti-science groups have banded together to fight any progress towards sustainability. Some corporations and libertarian groups welcome these useful idiots and their absurd arguments in order to avoid taxes and regulations(real and imagined). In the long run, it will harm policy debates by actual fiscal conservatives and will cost more.IMO

Ms. Aitken talks about knowing the facts and calls herself an "Educational Researcher".

Her posts indicate that her research isn't worth a penny.

Here are her falsehoods:

"draconian measures" Absolutely false. The measures of sustainability are not "draconian", they are common sense, consistent with the planning profession. Any measures must be implemented through local authority. The Planning Agencies are not regulatory and have no legal authority to implement any regulations.

It seems that right wingers like Aitken ignore right wing radical outside groups Like ALEC forcing their laws on NH residents through our state legislature, but these sustainable practices are voluntary and implemented at the local level, not part of state law, are somehow a threat to our autonomy?

The Agenda 21 coo-coo birds have landed big time in NH.

@No longer: Name calling severely weakens your argument. The more you and others speak the more you reveal your attitude which seems to be that while insisting these things are either not happening or not happening the way we say they are, you at the same time praise the outcomes and say that anyone who doesn't agree with those outcomes must be crazy. So since you approve of it, it must be OK to bypass the voters.

Jane,
here's what weakens your argument that "these things are happening",

You have no evidence, no proof, absolutely nothing tied to anything that's real that backs up anything you say.

There is no "Agenda 21" conspiracy to take away property rights or sovereignty, or local authority.

You have not one example that shows that "this is happening".

You people make stuff up out of whole cloth, otherwise, put up some real proof that shows any undermining of the people's rights, property, or sovereignty.

Here's a challenge to your tin foil hat crowd:

Those opposed to sustainable development claim that it poses a threat to property rights.

Since sustainable development policies have already been instituted in NH by the state and/or communities, show us one instance where these policies, such as recycling, or other policies to keep the environment clean or to conserve energy, have resulted in the government confiscating private property (condemnation through eminent domain, which provides just compensation does not count.).

This isn't the first time Granite State Progress has embarrassed itself... and probably won't be the last.

@No Longer interested: Perhaps you should read the 'wish list' of the RPC/WSC? -- their legislative goals are laid out quite clearly.

Perhaps paying a tax on miles traveled, or being taxed for your own well water under your property or the runoff from your roof, is acceptable to you? Because that's where this is all leading.

These outsider groups are also suggesting we have a "water crisis" in NH.. talk about promoting a conspiracy and scare tactics to get you to act! We've had floods and been declared a disaster area because of same in many NH counties for about the last 6 years out of 12 haven't we?

Please look to yourselves, those of you who are accusing others of promoting conspiracies. You are promoting scared tactics and the creation of a crisis so that you can provide solutions that are not needed or wanted.

Legislative policies and priorities of the Regional Planners from the 2012 RPC documents include but not limited to:

Prosperity:
#1. Support workforce housing and...
#3. Promote an adequate and diverse supply of quality and affordable housing.
(Since when is it government's job to provide housing?)
#4. Work closely with State and local governments in promoting regional economic development in partnership with business organizations (Crony capitalism - public-private parternships-favoritism-nepotism...)

Mobility:
#3. Support sustainable funding for transport and passenger rail (More taxes for things gov't is not supposed to provide, that no one asked for, and usually go bankrupt)

Sustainabilitv:
#9. Support financial incentives for public water supply systems to interconnect their systems... (More taxes in order to wield control over your use of water vs your own private water supplies - in some towns people are forced to tie in when they do not want to)

Livability:
#2. Support Regionalism (Because they can have better control with the taxpayers and local gov't out of the way -- and what has this got to do with livability?)
#3. Support policies which strengthen municipal and regional planning authority
(They claim they have no legal authority now, but want it, even though they claim they do not)

cont'd

"Since when is it government's job to provide housing?"
Clueless Jane asks.

If this "researcher" bothered to do any real research, she would probably know the history of public housing in America and it America's cities. The policies of providing public housing go back to before Jane was born, and much was instituted after WW II to house veterans returning from the war since there was a housing shortage at that time.

This shows that Jane is pretty much clueless regarding the past role of government.

"Crony capitalism"

Again, clueless Jane doesn't realize that economic development means encouraging businesses to locate in a community through tax incentives and flexible zoning by people in the government. It's not about helping "cronies" or friends of people in government.

Get a clue Jane before you start spouting off about things you don't know.

"a non-binding, voluntarily implemented action plan of the United Nations with regard to sustainable development"

ooooooh Scary........

Sustainable Development" is far more than keeping NH clean. People recycle, try not to pollute, and will conserve resources on their own all the time. It's called good personal money management. However, Sustainable Communities Initiatives as proposed by government under these federally intrusive programs cover a raft of areas that they do not have any business covering (such as how we teach in our schools or what we teach)

@No longer interested: You may want to call names, but here is one of the goals:

4. Work closely with State and local governments in promoting regional economic development in partnership with business organizations.

This is crony capitalism.

Some dogs are smarter than others...

Right Jane,
there are smart dogs, but you need to stop thinking on the level of a smart dog and try using your human traits for once.

Agenda 21 is supported by Nancy Pelosi ,Harry Reid, and George Bush

No we can't Jan, because if you were to be taken half seriously about "handing it off to our childeren in the same or better condition than it was in when given to us" you would need to also be against deficit spending and handing the bill to thos esame childeren.

Don't you have a mortgage?

See the issue of debt is different from putting contaminants in the soil or the air... Maybe that's the problem? Some humans can't differentiate the issues. Or won't

How is your fight against the destruction of the dollar going Jan Schimidt? Where is the stewardship in killing our dollar or burdening future generations with today's spending? Where is the sustainability in creating more and more Americans through legal and illegal immigration? The only sustainability the Agenda 21 people want is the ability to take resources from the middle class for their own use in the name of helping the poor.

@No Longer interested: Recycling is not an issue. Suggest you ought to familiarize yourself with the work of the RPCs/WSC before you speak.

It sounds like your knowledge of the issue is very limited.

No one mentioned flouridation of the water. If you don't like the water you will filter it or get it from somewhere else.

And this comment, like the one that mentioned 'troglodytes' is proof you have no ammunition in this argument because you've likely not read anything on the subject.

Jane,
you continue to ignore my request for proof and evidence to back your cockamamie statements.

Do some research and prove your statements.

Come up with a new one Ray. There is no more tin foil. What we commonly use now is aluminum foil. But, I really didn't expect you to know that. Most liberals are way beyond left field - waaaay out of the park.

It's 'tin foil' to try to convince people that NH is having a water crisis, wants compact housing, more taxes, William Ayers social revolutionaries in the schools, and trains to nowhere.

Yes these groups cover all this ground.. they admit that this is about ideas involving " public health, transportation, economic development, infrastructure, housing, land use, energy, cultural, historic, and natural resources, and more..." (their words again...)

That sounds pretty all-encompassing to me.

Jane,
drinkable water needs to be protected, especially for the public at large.

We are blessed in NH with plenty of water, but dribkable usable water is not as plentiful as one thinks.

Thanks God we have a government looking out for us.

William Ayers has nothing to do with it.

Do some research, you call yourself a researcher, then do some.

No cigar Peter, not even close..

Paying more money for energy to prevent pollution is not "taking or confiscating" your property, nor is it "redistributing" it to anyone else.

It's a free market solution developed by Republicans who want as little government involvement as possible, so people bidding on allowances are investors. Your money is being "redistributed" to private capitalists investing in the market.

You have stretched the truth, and then you broke it.
...

@No Longer interested: Carbon taxes are a boondoggle.. People are getting rich from you with RGGI and similar schemes. This is part of SCI.

I don't care if they are Democrats, Republicans or Martians, they are wrong... and they are only doing this to make money like Al Gore did.

Glenn Beck is a nut.. and no one in his or her right mind would listen to him... but thank you for confirming it.

Jane-Glad you realize Beck is a nut. Have you dropped all his 9-11 patriot groups from your coalition? Didn't think so...

@Tammy: There are no '9-11' patriot groups in the Coalition. The group is non-partisan so even neocons can join. (snicker)

Jane-My oops-I meant the 9-12 groups.

Are you saying I could join or GSP could join? Could the KKK or Aryan Nations join? How do you decide who can join your coalition?

@Survior: You are correct. Their ideas are what 'should be' while everyone else's are a 'conspiracy'. Scare tactics, to extract MORE MONEY from us for their social justice programs are not off the table... But let you oppose it and somehow you're off the wall.

@Jane, there are a lot of nuts posting to this, don't waste your time with them. Let them listen to the Glenn Beck's of the world and think they are intelligent !

We have some real winners up in Concord this session, but thankfully not as many as we did last year! Keep up the good work.

Jane-What you do not seem to get is that all the research you present is funded and put forward by those who would benefit monetarily or ideologically. The projection of this fact onto those who support sustainability is funny.

As I have stated before in my discussions with you, I get that we are all susceptible to confirmation bias. However, your willingness to believe in conspiracies based on information put forward by known wackjobs and extremist organizations is irrational.

@Tammy: What you fail to admit, is that the research we present is not funded by anyone. If it were, I'd be wealthy because it is our own work taken from our presence at meetings and the examination of documents we've seen and the people speaking in favor of this stuff. So YOUR conspiracy theory, that someone is telling us what to do or funding us, is just that. A conspiracy theory as well as ludicrous

When you can learn to disagree about something on its own merits without resorting to this charge, then your arguments might be taken seriously. But this is a knee-jerk reaction as we see all the time - with no countering of the facts.

As for "cui bono", just look at the people pushing this stuff -- they are making money off of YOUR tax dollars. We're not handing over your money to private corporations.. We have nothing to gain. I guess you can be convinced by government to do anything so long as they present the right crisis?

We have the right to oppose what we see going on -- what is going on is happening and not a "conspiracy". Your overuse of that word tells me you have no facts in this argument, just obfuscation. Just last week, this man was teaching our teachers in the ways of domestic terrorist William Ayers... he is part of the NH Listens PR firm trying to influence our school children. Nice eh?

http://annenberginstitute.org/commentary/2012/03/emulate-dont-eliminate-tucsons-mexican-american-studies-program

Jane-All peer-reviewed research is funded in some way. Whether government, business or non-profit think tank, we get to know from what perspective said research is conducted. We, as taxpayers, have the responsibility to become informed to all sides presented when deciding what policies to support. Neither of us can only look at one perspective and assume it is the answer. We also must be critical thinkers in the sense of evaluating such info and the source. Once we preconceive an agenda attached to a source, we tend to toss out information, good and bad, from that source.

That said, are you willing to evaluate and discuss all sides?

"he is part of the NH Listens PR firm trying to influence our school children. Nice eh?"

Jane, you are supposed to be an educator, but here you are pretending that the study of Mexican Culture and Mexican History is somehow a threat to students of Mexican heritage. This man presents this as empowering for those students, helping them to attain self-esteem. You on the otherhand present it as something insidious.

There's nothing wrong here. Again, you need real evidence and proof that this somehow is undermining American society.

You are being ridiculous.

Jane-Nobody likes cronyism or fascism. I for one welcome informed local voices making decisions. However, I do not see our elected representatives-local, state, or federal- as being an "other" as you seem to imply.

As far as your comment regarding research...what is your definition of research? Is it science based, peer reviewed, white paper or something else? Perhaps this is the reason we seem to have a communication problem.

Jane-I am a taxpayer as well. I also have read the book above and have researched on my own and have come to a different conclusion than you have. I cannot speak to or for GSP since I know nothing about them. I only speak to what I see as being far-fetched fearmongering regarding sustainable initiatives/conservation going back decades.(JBS)

@Tammy: Doubt you've read the book pictured - it's out of print. I thought you said it was a "conspiracy theory" and did not exist?

You say you cannot speak to or for GSP since you claim to know nothing about them, but they seem to be whose talking points you are parroting. You should know that their mother organization is Center for American Progress, the Soros think tank that feeds a leftist agenda to the White House - an unsavory bunch that funds all kinds of groups that go around falsely accusing others of taking money from 'big corporations' while actually doing that very thing themselves? It's not just hypocritical but rather devious to attack regular citizens in this way.

We see it as being far-fetched fearmongering (water shortages!) regarding sustainable initiatives/conservation going back to Maurice Strong's admittedly manufactured climate crisis -- surely you know he is one of the richest oil families in the world, along with the Rockefeller Bros who fund greenie groups like 350.org? This is for profit. Create a crisis>provide the solution. How convenient.

I can't have a discussion with someone who is also so arrogant that she thinks the taxpayers are incapable of looking into something they see as wrong, after examining meetings and documents and finding things they object to, and then having the nerve, (the NERVE!) to oppose them because it's THEIR tax money.

Please don't waste our time yammering about 'peer reviews' that have nothing to do with us.

Jane-I never stated Agenda 21 did not exist. The conspiracy theory is what has been interpreted by those who see a nefarious reason behind the guidelines.

Climate change deniers and other anti-science types reject the reasoning behind Agenda 21. Most of the guidelines are based on years of research in the social sciences and other disciplines.

Although I do agree there should be debate on policies adopted at the local level, trying to discredit the guidelines as a whole is silly.

Jane,
For what it's worth, I don't think Tammy read the book either.
Nice call!

Off the rails, again? It's too bad the data doesn't agree with you. We are experiencing climate change that directly coincides with the industrialized planet.

FTP Where are your references. Are you exempt from proof?

Jane-First, there is no hoax. Again you put forward a conspiracy theory.

Second, I think I have a better understanding of what you are fighting for thanks to the website Freedomadvocates.(which also has a copy of the book in the OP.) Although I do not agree with much of their interpretations and definitions, they do have some compelling articles that contain info that should be part of any policy debates.

I suppose it all comes down to whether one holds a globalist view or nationalistic view of economics, environment, and the future. Sustainability at the local and regional level makes sense for both worldviews as far as I can tell.

Agenda 21 is a non-binding, voluntarily implemented action plan of the United Nations with regard to sustainable development.

I voted Democrat because I believe that people who can't tell us if it will rain on Friday can tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if I don't start driving a Prius.

Its always good to get someones uneducated opinion.

@gerry smith: If you really wanted to be part of 'civil society' you would not recommend using our own tax money against us to force us into being controlled by the ideas of these unelected central planners. Somehow the idea you are against 'unlimited freedom' and an 'uncensored internet' (a private enterprise where the government has no right to curtail anyone's free speech) exemplifies what is so scary about your type.

Jane-Not sure who this is directed to, but who says ICLEI is just a theory?

The Conspiracy Theory mentioned is the one formulated by you and others regarding the intentions and goals of Agenda 21 and ICLEI.

Jane-There are not "millions" who believe in that crap.

Your use of cold war terminology is telling. It just confirms you are sucked into red scare conspiracies that are being regurgitated.

Agenda 21 is a non-binding, voluntarily implemented action plan of the United Nations with regard to sustainable development.

"Please read my article on the revolutionaries that are currently being given access to our schools to promote Marxism -- it's here NOW."

No it isn't, it's not here now.

It's in your imagination.

You have zero proof and or evidence to back your silly statement.

@FTP: Using name calling to suggest someone is not 'sane' when they are objecting to facts, is an old trick and very hollow. To suggest that I am not 'sane' because I don't want William Ayers style revolutionaries telling us what to do in our schools is arrogant. If Ayers and his ilk are your heroes, this country is in far more trouble than I even I first thought.

Jane,
you were an educator,

It's time for you to get educated.

Jane, you were an educator, but you can't correctly comprehend what I wrote. I didn't say that "this" is about ecouraging businesses to locate in a community through....", I said that ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT is "about "encouraging businesses to locate in a community through tax incentives and flexible zoning"..

Your mysterious thing about Epping being sold a bad bill of goods is a non sequitor.

Good God Jane, the only thing you are right about is that I should refrain from name calling, but under the circumstances, you make that difficult for me.

The only thing I can say is do some real research, get yourself educated on the subject of City/Town/Metropolitan Planning in America.

Start with Savannah, GA, and Washington D.C.

Then learn about Olmstead and the City Beautiful Movement, Burnham and the Chicago World's Fair, and then Jane Jacobs for a more modern take.

Agenda 21 is a non-binding, voluntarily implemented action plan of the United Nations with regard to sustainable development.

OK Jane,
it's your choice, you can believe in cockamamie ideas, or you can do some real research.

You are correct that you have every right to oppose smart growth and sustainable development. I don't deny you this or anyone else.

But you are 100 % wrong about your rights being trampled upon.

You haven't given me one example where this has happened, or proven that sustainable development takes away the constitutional rights of individuals. You are 100% wrong on this idea.

And, you are being dishonest when you argue that boards or commisions with no regulatory or legislative authority are doing things on their own, things that have the power of law. That doesn't happen now, it never happened, will not happen in the future, and you need to come up with evidence that this has happened.

You are the one who has lot to learn, someday.

Agenda 21 is a non-binding, voluntarily implemented action plan of the United Nations with regard to sustainable development.

"there is a nationwide movement to stop regional, top down government"

Jane, do some real research and learn the difference between a commission and a government, their roles and responsibilities, and their authority.

You have a lot to learn before you make conclusions about your rights being trampled upon.

You have plenty of right to protest these proposals.

But no right to misrepresent what regional planning agencies do or misrepresent what the proposals are about.

RPC's are not "lobbyists", do some real research. They work for the member communities. They are not regulatory, cannot regulate or make laws. They provide professional planning services, to characterize them as "central government planners" is a gross misrepresentation, and a propaganda ploy.

I am not familiar with 'Ray' aka NLI although the person shows the arrogance and denial of Ray Buckley. If he is Ray Buckley he should have the courage to sign in under his own name.

Aplejak,
you can't be sure about much because you don't know much.

Jane,
you haven't answered one question.

You have nothing, no evidence, no proof to back up any of your statements.

Talk to me again when you educate yourself.

I'm not arrogant, I simply asked you to back up your cheeseball statements with reality.

Ray, I mean NLI, your comments have lost lost their humor since the incendiary race baiting I witnessed from you.

And now I don't much.

I do know that you may have some knowledge about sustainability but you don't seem to have any information on ICLEI.
Or, as Jane mentions above, you are just one more hack embedded with this organization, you have a vested interest in their integration to the local governments and you don't want to come clean.

Regardless, your insults, name calling and petty, ignorant comments are not even worthy of reading as each really has no point.
I can't believe how polite Ms. Aitken has been through this entire section dealing with the likes of you.

You offer that I don't know much...I would say that at least I know from your posts that you are some sort of troll who can't really offer anything constructive.

You sound like an angry displaced hack that is mad at the "neo-cons" (your terms) for losing your place at the almighty teat of government.

How's that for a tin-foil analysis regarding the source of your anger?

Appljak,
Didn't your parents teach you to tell the truth?

I never "race baited", instead you wryly pretended to be a "minority".

You call me names and then whine about my name-calling.

You can dish it out but you can't take it. Too bad.

I lost my humor a long time ago when you neocon jerks called the rest of us socialists/communists and accused us of hating America, just because we disagree with you.

I'll be glad to have a civil conversation, once you educate yourself.

Until then, taste your own medicine.

Ray,
Never race baited?
To wit,
"We all feel bad for the poor white minority that Elizabeth and Applejak belong to.
They are victims of discrimination against white people.
They have a victim mentality.
Their ancestors, by the millions, were dragged to America and put at the bottom of ships as cargo, millions of them of them died in transit, they were robbed of the fruit of their labor while their masters lived the high life. Then, once Elizabeth and Applejack's ancestors were set free they were victims of segregation, murder/lynchings, and discrimination based on their white faces.
Instead of pulling themselves up by their bootstraps, and overcoming adversity, they whine about being a minority.
Sorry, you are both out of luck, Justice Clarence Thomas does not believe in affirmative action. No free stuff for you!"

This response because I said i was in the "minority" of the population--a taxpayer.

You must do it so often you don't realize that you are! I could care less about name calling but racist accusations don't fly.
As for civil, I don't know if you quite get the term. Re-read these posts and you should be able to see that you are the incendiary poster here.

"The sinister attempts at instituting central planning and control through the Agenda 21 effort is obvious to anyone with an understanding of politics and government operations."
PC,
Nope, you aren't even close, anyone who understands politics and government knows that this is baloney, on the other hand, morons such as youself think that a sinister attempt at instituting central planning and control through the Agenda 21 effort is obvious.

Proud Conservative-I do not believe Agenda 21 seeks to implement "central planning" in the historical sense of the term. As I research the point of view you, Jane, and others are putting forward, it is obvious certain terms are defined in a creative way-to put it mildly.

Perhaps some agreement on the definition of terms like planning, sustainability, democratic, socialist, local, state, economics, etc...may be of use since many writers seem to have some creative and/or archaic glossary they use that makes it impossible to get on the same page. (I am only partly joking, here!)

I support many of the goals of Agenda 21, but do agree many of the policy decisions need to be made at the local, regional, and State levels with public input. I also agree professional, scientific input is valuable in order for us to make informed decisions. Some of the rhetoric used by those who oppose sustainability initiatives are blatantly anti-science and anti-education.

@NLI - Hey Guano.......when you resort to name calling you destroy all credibility, not that you had much to begin with. Agenda 21 is a not-so-thinly veiled attempt to replace local control with centralized planning and control - shades of the USSR.

Hey Mr. "Proud Conservative",

my credibility is not the issue. You neocons have nothing, so you resort to character assasination. You do it ad nauseum to who ever disagrees with you.

I have been asking you coo-coo birds to PROVE IT.

You can't prove anything or back up anything you say.

Here is proof of why you are a coo-coo bird,
You said:
"Agenda 21 is a not-so-thinly veiled attempt to replace local control with centralized planning and control - shades of the USSR."

Now PROVE IT.

But you won't prove it because you and the other coo-coos who have left your coo-coo clocks just make stuff up, so you ignore the challenge, or you fail the challenge.

So if you want to talk about credibility. Then try to link your asinine statement to reality.

Every time you birds make an asinine statement like that. the whole world is watching and laughing, not with you, but at you.

I always read Proud Conservative's comments in the voice of Stephen Colbert because I am about 98% sure that Proud Conservative actually is Stephen Colbert.

"Hey Guano(A derogatory name).......when you resort to name calling you destroy all credibility" - PC
Priceless.

All Guano does is throw insults. Classless

Mr. Flasher,
You've got nothing but complaints, no back up to anything you say.
Whenever anyone calls you neo-conservatives out to back up your statements, you start whining about insults, depsite the fact that you do plenty on your own.
Now, stop whining and put up proof to back your asinine statements, put up or shut up

Agenda 21 is a non-binding, voluntarily implemented action plan of the United Nations with regard to sustainable development.

I don't have to prove it.

Agenda 21 is a non-binding, voluntarily implemented action plan of the United Nations with regard to sustainable development.

Just as I thought.

You have nothing.

You are not up to the challenge.

You are clueless, you can't back up any of the falsehoods about regional planning commissions, sustainability, or smart growth.

You can't back up Jane's falsehoods.

You are a know nothing.

Just as I said.

You have nothing.

You are not up to the challenge.

You are clueless, you can't back up any of the falsehoods about regional planning commissions, sustainability, or smart growth.

You can't back up your falsehoods.

You are a know nothing

And apparently NLI doesn't know the definition of a neocon. If he did he would certainly not be grouping me in THAT category. NLI would probably deny he had a nose if was against his agenda. Funny.

Flash does nothing but make moronic blanket statements.

Jane,
back up your statements with evidence.

Otherwise you neocons, yes, you are not a real conservative, but a instead a fake one, have nothing.

Show me where regional planning commissions make laws.
Show me where sustainabilty has resulted in the confiscation of property,
show me the textbooks and the lesson plans used to teach Marxism in tucson.

You make stuff up without real evidence.

You didn't know there were crazy people who consider themselves Democrats?

Apljak-I am a Republican FOR Agenda 21. What is your point?

Applejak,
rubbish from a right wing web-site is just that, rubbish.

You have no proof to back up anything that Jane put forth.

George H.W. Bush signed Agenda 21.

Agenda 21 is a non-binding agreement on sustainability.

Sustainability does not remove local control or undermine federal, state, local authority.

It does not take away rights or property rights.

Nothing in your link proves any of this. Your web-site echos your paranoid conspiracies.

Really??
My guess is that these aren't real Democrats nor is it a legitimate web-site, but another extension of the right wing world propaganda entertainment complex.

Tammy,
Democrat or Republican,
My point is that corruption is corruption.
It is just a link to some information. I didn't put it to define everyone in favor of Agenda21 as a Democrat.
Republicans stand for a lot of varied and differing ideas. The party isn't monolithic in ideas; in fact, the diversity of ideas and opinions is what will allow it to rise again from this 2012 setback.
As a Republican (capital R), aren't you bothered that this ICLei approach is more top down by town and city officials and not by the actual taxpayers? At times, actually behind closed doors and zero transparency?

Maybe NLI, but lets not pretend there aren't crazy Democrats.

Have you ever made a factual statement? Ever?

Have you ever made a statement of fact ever?

"and her female partner"..........

"and her female partner"..........

Does that disturb you?

It seems like a weird thing to bring up.
Did Jane want to mention Ms. Koire's waist size or favorite breakfast cereal?

Or was Jane bringing it up as a dog whistle for other crazies to hear?

Sounds like you are describing yourself.

"who lives in San Fransisco[sic]"..........

Thanks Jack W. Rosa, who lives in San Francisco, says in her book and speeches, that this is not a republican or democrat issue, or a right or left issue, this is an American issue. She recycles and her partner even built a whole house out of reusable items. This goes beyond being a wise user of the resources.

@Really?? You likely never even heard about the tea party when it was actually founded in 2007, or know what the three lynchpin issues were and still are. (And it wasn't in 2009). There is no 'charter' of the tea party as it is a people's movement, not some GOP PAC founded by consultants from the establishment.