Selectmen Weigh Lease Vs. Purchase of New Fire Engine
According to Fire Chief Kevin Breen, the department is overdue for a replacement.
Salem Fire Chief Kevin Breen told Selectmen on Jan. 7 that the town needs to seriously consider advancing the replacement of the department's ladder truck.
Recognizing that need, board members debated the benefits and costs of buying a new truck outright vs. leasing the new engine.
Selectman Stephen Campbell said he was against a leasing strategy since it takes away from future projects.
"I think we have to realize that every time we pay interest, there is less you can buy in the future," he said. "For equipment, generally speaking, I'm not in favor of leasing.
Selectman Mike Lyons said that he thinks $10,000 per year on a million-dollar piece of equipment that's going to enhance public safety is not a lot of money.
Lyons and the other board members also noted that price trends for fire engines are very important. The board tasked Breen to work with the manufacturer to determine price changes over the last five years.
"If we could see kind of a price trend, if that differential is the same as the interest payment, then we're not saving money, we're just deferring or pushing out aged equipment," said Selectman Jim Keller.
Breen said that the current 105-foot ladder truck, which is about 20 years old, has seen excessive corrosion on its wiring harness, which took months to replace.
"We're still on a punch list of (issues) that just keep unfortunately turning up," he said.
The truck did pass its annual test, but Breen said that Underwriters Laboratories said the vehicle was "tired."
A new engine would cost north of $1 million. A lease option at current rates would see $10,000 per year in interest.
Selectman Everett McBride Jr. said that he would be willing to push off the heavy equipment/rescue truck proposed in the CIP for 2014 if the ladder truck is more important.
Breen all but ruled out purchasing a used truck, as other departments rarely sell off equipment unless a town closes a station or downsizes staff. Breen said that there is very rarely an opportunity to buy a used piece of apparatus that is in good condition.
Salem purchsed a used truck in the late 1980's and spent in excess of $370,000 for a 4-year-old truck. A volunteer company had bought too much equipment and didn't need the truck, nor could they afford it.
For fire engines, Breen said that a 20-year life span is typically looked at, although he said that schedule was set 20 years ago and may need an adjustment given Salem's growth during that time.
He explained that the life cycle of a fire engine in Salem sees the truck start at central station for five years before it traevels to station 2 or station 3 for the next 10. The engine spends its last five years as a reserve engine at central station.
Riley Reid
4:55 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013
I say the Town buys one of these Quint fire trucks that a lot of communities are going to. It's both a ladder truck and a pumper.
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Tonto
11:49 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013
Just so you know, Quint trucks are typically more expensive in the long run than buying 2 seperate trucks that handle the same tasks. You also run the vehicle in to the ground by having it respond to more calls because of the multiple roles it maintains. It also requires more staff for a single vehicle because they are now running multiple operations on the same vehicle. Smaller communities look to these vehicles for efficiency needs because of the smaller departments, Salem is not a small community.
Riley Reid
2:06 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
Nashua, Concord and Manchester are running these trucks which is why I was asking the question.
BNoble
10:51 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
Topic finally got interesting! Just a couple points here: Quints are cheaper compared with the price of 2 vehicles, obviously pricing varies with what you decide to place on it to begin with and how you have the vehicle(s) designed. But from my understanding they are cheaper to buy up front. Now, I do agree they can be expensive down the road because of higher maintenance costs (more equipment on 1 truck means more things break, simple math there). I have heard from others that they have to fit your community, and I mean really fit because if you do not have the man power to fill the truck then you are just wasting the other options it has. Now, you say... they can just be trained to do everything!... well yes, they can but now you run in to having the only tower truck arrive first on scene and it immediately becomes an engine attack company and will probably stay in the role which means a tower truck may need to come from who knows where. There are a lot of resources on the internet to read up on, these trucks are great when used correctly and when positioned correctly in your city/town to do their jobs. But everything has drawbacks and imho unless the town has multiple quints to cover any tower role needed at a fire in town, they aren't a good fit. But who knows... maybe it would fit.
JSTONE
10:22 am on Friday, March 22, 2013
Just to clarify..... Neither Manchester or Concord run Quints, and Nashua only has one Ladder truck with a pump equipped that carries only 200 gallons of water. Quints are not the answer, particularly in New England.