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POLL: Will You Miss Speaker O'Brien?

Vote in our poll and leave a comment with your thoughts below.

 

With the Democrats taking back control of the New Hampshire House of Representatives in Tuesday's election, Bill O'Brien's reign as House Speaker effectively came to an end.

On Wednesday, O'Brien, who was re-elected to his House seat on Tuesday, said he will not run for House Minority Leader. State Rep. Pam Tucker and several others are said to be interested in the post.

O'Brien's leadership drew praise from many New Hampshire Republicans, while Democrats frequently criticized him as representing extreme Tea Party interests. He sparked plenty of controversy, including the time when he banned Concord Monitor reporters from attending one of his press conferences because he was angry with an editorial cartoon the newspaper had run that compared him to Hitler.

What do you think? Will you miss O'Brien's leadership in the House, or are you glad he's no longer in charge? Vote in our poll below, and leave a comment with your thoughts.

  • Will you miss Bill O'Brien as House Speaker?

    (Voting has been closed for this question)
    • Yes
        50 (35%)
    • No
        91 (64%)
    Total votes: 141
  • Your vote will only count once. This is not a scientific poll. View Results Vote!
Related Topics: Bill O'Brien and NH House of Representatives

Mike Healey

12:14 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012

He will still be there, lurking in the shadows, waiting for nightfall......BOOO!

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David Campbell

12:41 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012

I miss NH, she's gone.. she bought the liberal lie, she drank the kool aide and we will all suffer because of it. Sold out by stupid people in large numbers

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susanthe

4:43 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012

Aw. It's always someone else's fault when conservatives lose.

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Mike Healey

10:35 am on Sunday, November 11, 2012

It seems the stupid people were rejected by the electorate.

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Florian Kozinczak

1:48 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012

Sold out? In case you haven't heard that's how a democracy works. Sour grapes, that's your kool-aid.

David McCray

12:49 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012

Whether you like him or hate him Speaker OBrien did something that most politicians aren't capable of doing. He LED. Speaker OBrien knew how to achieve what he wanted, he is a true leader. He will still be in Concord and eventually he will be called in to fix the mess that will happen over the next 2 years, just like he fixed the last mess

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Mike Healey

1:59 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012

He was able to eliminate that fictional 900 million dollar deficit....

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Ken Eyring

1:53 am on Sunday, November 11, 2012

I find it curious that when politicians are conservative and refer to the Constitution, they are labeled "radical". Our state spending was increased 24% from 2006-2010, with a large chuck of it paid for with one-time Federal stimulus money.

The 2010 elected legislators had to make up the difference between revenue and the current spending programs. Charlie Arlinghaus and many others estimated the difference to be around $800M. The legislature made up this difference by rolling back spending to 2006 levels, and not raising any taxes or fees.

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Mike Healey

9:34 am on Sunday, November 11, 2012

Charlie Arlinghaus works for the propaganda house that created the myth in the first place. Fake data from propaganda houses like The Josiah Bartlett Center("Free-Market Think Tank") does not trump reality.

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Mike Healey

9:43 am on Sunday, November 11, 2012

New Hampshire received a huge chunk of federal money as part of the stimulus.
They used it to complete one time infrastructure and other projects.
Republican's want to pretend that those one time expenses were now yearly obligations that they had to eliminate to save the budget.
Magically, by not fixing the school roof a year later than claiming to have saved the budget. Crazy.

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Former Exeter Business Owner

10:04 am on Sunday, November 11, 2012

Speaker O'Brien embarrassed himself as well as NH....he didn't lead, he dictated...there is a difference David.

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Florian Kozinczak

1:50 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012

Sure, gutting the state university system, a fine accomplishment indeed.

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03031

2:31 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012

O'Brien was not a great leader. He was a bully. Bullies are never considered great leaders. And he and his buddies balanced the budget on the backs of local taxpayers by pushing the can down the road. Please don't be fooled by the spin that the Republicans would have you believe.

Penny_D

12:53 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012

I will not miss him at all. He is the catalyst why I am no longer a republican. He wasn't a NH republican. The independent minded reasonable republicans seem to be gone now. I am still a registered republican but voted all democrat this year. Proud of it in fact.

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Tammy

1:40 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012

I too, am a registered republican and supported mostly democrats this year.

I think people like us should be more involved in midterms and primaries in the future.

Just my 2 cents

1:22 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012

A good leader doesn't need to use guns and screaming. Gov. Lynch was re elected 4 times for a reason. Mr O'Brien barely was re-elected in his own home town. (he came in 2nd for the 2 state rep. positions in his district. Even he got the message and is not even trying for the House Minority Leader.

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Patrick Judge

1:51 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012

A Republican my entire adult life, I found Speaker O'Brien (and Rep. Bates etc) to be poster-children of all that is wrong with the Republican Party at this point in time. While purporting to be the Party of ALL of the citizens of NH, their actions and agendas showed otherwise. ALL of the citizens, to O'Brien & company actually meant "as long as you weren't gay and thought the way they did and believed in their version of the all-mighty. I don't begrudge anyone their religion or lack thereof. Nor do I begrudge anyone of their likes or dislikes (whatever their reasons are), but to create and promote legislation, based upon their religious beliefs or likes and dislikes, in my opinion, flies in the face of what this country was founded upon and what we all should stand for. The radical factions on both sides of the legislative aisles have perverted these standards and made a mockery of the founding tenents of this country. The sooner the extremists on both sides realize this the better.

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Tammy

2:20 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012

Patrick-Good post. Conservatives have a worldview that often clashes with reality. Politically, they have aligned themselves with us but many of us do not agree with the revisionist history that Barton and Beck have promoted. Fiscal conservatism is not the same as social conservatism. Social conservatism, which should have a voice, has been presented in such an anti-intellectual manner that no rational, educated person can possibly agree with it, 100%. I can't speak to the other side of the aisle being extreme. As far as I can tell, most NH Dems running seem like moderates in the current political climate.

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Tom Linehan

8:53 am on Sunday, November 11, 2012

@Patrick Judge, it is curious that you say the Republicans abandoned gays. I think gays double-crossed Republicans. Many Republicans such as myself supported gay Civil Unions as a reasonable approach to the question of granting gay couples rights similar to those of married people. But gays insisted on breaking that agreement and broke that compromise by passing gay marriage. So much for working across the aisle. I feel personally betrayed. I now have very little sympathy for giving special treatment for gays ever again.; Marriage is between a man and a woman. And I find gay marriage to be analogous to a square circle. As one Republican I did not abandon gays. Gays abandoned me.

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Tammy

5:41 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012

Tom-Really? IMO, legal marriage is between consenting adults. Gender, race, national origin, etc. should not be an issue.

john grady

3:00 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012

Sure, I'll miss Speaker O'Brien. I have had poison ivy once too. I really miss that as well!

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EricRich

3:53 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012

If bully = leader, then your point is valid. Real leadership, one where people willingly agree to follow someone because of shared convictions, is vastly preferable IMHO to dictatorial methods. Real leaders cross aisles, mend fences, help those in need and don't waste resources. If there is no possibility of compromise, then there is no democracy. It's not about who is right or wrong, it's about finding solutions to the problems we all face. The sooner that us vs. them is left behind, the better. Hopefully this changing of the guard will be the first step toward that laudable goal.

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Rick

4:36 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012

Speaker Bill does not want to be minorty leader. I am not sure he would have got the job anyway, after the way he treated many of his fellow Republicans if they did not say "how high", when he said "jump". I doubt he will want to sit in the shadows for the next two years. I see a "more time with my family and law practice" statement coming sooner than later. Say goodnight, Bill....

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Jon Garbarino

4:56 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012

I am glad he is gone. His extreme far right politics and willingness to ignore the tenets of our democracy were chilling to say the least.

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Dan

5:09 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012

I am glad he is gone. Bully O'Brien was an textbook case of extremism at its best. The fact of the matter is that the GOP has thrown out it's moderates and liberals within their party, creating a litmus test that renders the U.S. Constitution a major blow. The founding forefathers of this country did not want a political party packing firearms, and strongarming the political process. That is not the will of the people. While the 2nd ammendment has its reason for being there, it shouldn't be used turn the State Capitol into a large pillbox of extremists. The last 2 years were basically a dark period for New Hampshire. Let moderation, and respect for all parties that represent New Hampshire be the order of the day.

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Gary Patton

11:16 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012

Miss him? About as much as I'd miss leprosy. O'Brien's heavy-handed, dictatorial, bullying leadership combined with his extreme right-wing views produced a reign of terror and horrendous legislation. The further he diminshes in the strate's rear view mirror the better off New Hampshire will be.

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Ming Brookside

7:58 am on Sunday, November 11, 2012

O'Brien is a bully and has proven to be one! I say "Good Riddance" you pompous jerk!!!

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Silencedogood

8:15 am on Sunday, November 11, 2012

It is hard to argue with results. When Speaker O'Brien assumed office the State was facing a $2B deficit and conventional wisdom from the Governor's office was raising taxes was the only answer. Under Speaker O'Brien's leadership in 90 days we went from an impossible to solve budget short fall to a two year balanced budget and a permanent and fair resolution to the untenable state employee's retirement system. Was he guilty of perhaps being too politically incorrect to some? Perhaps. However, he was not afraid to assume the "point" and take enemy fire. Speaker O'Brien was the quinessential Leader with a capital "L". I will climb out on a limb and forecast there will be a request within 90 days of the House reconvening to increase spending! God Bless Speaker O'Brien and thank you for your service.

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The Real Silence Dogood

12:44 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012

I often post as Silence Dogood on different sites and blogs regarding NH politics. This isn't me. I'd like to say I'll miss the nonstop blooper reel that was the O'Brien/Bettencourt/Silva leadership team. I think all we have left now is Shawn "Spanky" Japser out of Hudson. He got tossed from his town position but somehow made it to the State House again.

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Peter T. Hansen

4:32 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

OH yea! That's really climbing out on a limb SBG. It's only a matter of time before we start hearing about the need for more money. Your not crawling out on a limb your walking on a concrete floor! But thanks for recognizing the inevitable!!

Beth

8:54 am on Sunday, November 11, 2012

Once again the fair minded, intelligent, responsible, middle of the road on those issues government is capable of handling competently NH voters have spoken. Regardless of your party affiliation, the outer edges of any movement is not where you lead from. We need to hold the newly elected and re elected to valuing the University system and all of the other educational institutions in this state. The devastation wrought in recent years is horrific. Just ask a middle class parent who is paying the highest tuition for in state students in the country, or the middle class student from NH who graduates from the State's schools with the highest school debt in the country. Look around my fellow gray haired, aging lovers of the NH "advantage" (also known as "more for me at the expense of future generations"), unless you are prepared to leave your NH we need to keep these kids, future tax payers in this State to support the infrastructure you and I will need. Not to mention drive the ambulances and respond to fire calls in our little hamlets. The consequences of the bad decisions over many years controlled by both paties is coming home to roost.

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FaithInNumbers

8:25 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

Maybe we should look to how the university system manages it expenses, including tenure, pensions, and curricula before we blame the legislature for cutting funding to "disastrous" levels. Just pay more! is the Liberal mantra.

Charles Hatch

9:28 am on Sunday, November 11, 2012

Bill Obrien is the best Politician that benefited Democrats.
More Tea any one ?

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Moving On

12:00 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012

As an independent I have always voted for House Rep's equally, to try and keep a balance. Because of Bill O'Brien for the first time ever since the age of 18 which was many years ago I voted for all Democratic Reps after I did my homework to see if their views fell inline with mine. Will I miss Bill O'Brien, nope about as much as I miss the the very infected Gall Bladder that almost killed me. A good, strong, effective leader does not have to threaten, bully or treat people as though they are beneath them.

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Proud Conservative

8:42 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012

"A good, strong, effective leader does not have to threaten, bully or treat people as though they are beneath them."

Perhaps that's why Obama is seen as a bad, weak and ineffective leader.

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Moving On

1:25 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Well Proud Conservative, I believe the question was about O'Brien, not the president. My answer is based on the actual question asked. Funny how the subject is often changed from one topic to another instead of dealing with the actual question asked. Your answer would be more appropriate on a poll discussing the President, not a tyrant NH house speaker.

rick barasso

12:27 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012

Na na na na na na na hey hey (everybody sing) goodbye...

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Tammy

4:31 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012

Rick-I have had that ear worm all day, thanks to you.lol

Chris

2:59 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012

Yes. I will miss him like a boil on the back of my neck! So long Bill. You, Baldasarro and the rest of your gang should take the hint. Too extreme=bounced out on your #%+!!!!!!

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John reuter

3:00 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012

I can not wait for my taxes to triple now.

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Jo Ann Rotast

4:17 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012

It will be a blessing to return to civility. I'm sure that the democrats are equally capable of balancing the budget without abandonning their moral obligations.

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Ken Eyring

4:24 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012

For me, this is not a democrat or republican argument. Unfortunately, I believe our state taxes and fees will be increased significantly to pay for the additional spending that I expect will be coming our way -- as with the 2006-2010 legislature. Those budgets were balanced with "gimmicks" according to Charlie Arlinghaus.

http://www.jbartlett.org/how-a-balanced-state-budget-created-an-800-million-deficit
http://www.jbartlett.org/yes-new-hampshire-has-a-debt-problem

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Peter T. Hansen

4:41 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Jo Ann that is not true if you are honest just look at SSHB1 That's a special session for 2010. It exists soley because the Dems could NOT balance a budget and had to call a special session. Now if you are truly open minded look at the places where your Dems cut in an attempt to balance the budget for the second time. There were cuts or takebacks from many social programs, the took 25 million back from UNH, they used funds allotted for lead paint removal to prevent poisoning of children to help pay for salaries NOT paint removal. Please do some homework and don't be a pigeon for anyone.

John reuter

4:24 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012

I will enjoy watching all the tax hikes that will be required for them to run the state and then hearing all the complaits. I think we need to start out of the gate taxing and hiring state workers. Let's go to 100% employment.

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susanthe

4:37 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012

Ken Eyering - gimmicks like Mediscam? The gimmick Judd Gregg used to balance the budget - a gimmick that we're still paying back? Is that what you mean by gimmick?

Charlie Arlinghaus and the Josiah Bartlett Center are mouthpieces for the Teabaglitarian contingent. If what they advocate actually worked, NH wouldn't be in the mess it's in. Remember, the NH House was under GOP control for 150 years. That 150 years includes Mediscam, by the way. Democrats had control of the House for 4 years. To pretend that they devastated the state in 4 years is utterly dishonest. NH has the 11th worst infrastructure in the nation. We didn't get there in 4 years. NH ranked dead last in state spending on our university system long before the Democrats came along.

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Ken Eyring

4:48 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012

Susan, would you feel so emboldened to criticize and ridicule me if you posted your comments with your name public for all to see? I don't think so, which is why I suspect you hide your identity. We all have differing opinions based upon what each of us has heard and learned. I respect the beliefs of others and seek discussion, but have found it commonplace for those that preach tolerance and civility to not practice it themselves.

The problems that are caused by creating an $800M deficit cannot easily be solved in a single 2 year term. Did you read it before concluding it was incorrect? The current legislature did a GREAT job in addressing the mess that they inherited, and I am grateful for their fiscal responsibility.

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Tammy

5:48 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012

Ken Eyring-What you have "heard and learned" as you say, is wrong. I can only assume you were educated by RW tv, internet, and radio which are false.

John reuter

4:41 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012

Look why discuss the democrats have a mandate to raise taxes in order to hire more teachers. Please let's get to full employment right now. If you are unemployed apply to be a teacher

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susanthe

5:06 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012

@Ken Eyering If asking you a legitimate question is your definition of "ridicule," Ken, perhaps your skin is too thin for comment sections. I also seem to be missing the place where it was I preached tolerance. You wouldn't happen to be engaging in some partisan stereotyping would you, Ken? Let me help you with 2 things: I'm not a Democrat. I'm also not an unknown. susanthe is hardly a pseudonym.
Now, let's get down to business, shall we?

You created a post of faux-outrage, designed to distract from the fact that you addressed precisely NONE of the points I raised. Mediscam, infrastructure, state university system: please discuss.

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Ken Eyring

7:06 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012

Susan, you are an unknown to me. Your screen name does not represent who you are and provides you with the security to call people names with anonymity. I find it interesting that you attack me, claiming I created a "post of faux-outrage" to change the topic.

I simply made a statement and provided a couple of links regarding the budget that increased 24% from 2006-2010. I did not accuse you of being a democrat. By your stating that "Charlie Arlinghaus and the Josiah Bartlett Center are mouthpieces for the Teabaglitarian contingent", I consider that to be intolerance on your part.

I also don't feel compelled to defend the republican's impact on NH in the past. They too, are part of the problem. However, it is my opinion that this past legislature did do some very good things like cutting state spending by close to 10%.

It's clear we see things quite differently.

Timothy Harden

6:27 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012

Tax Hikes are a comin are a comin are a comin tonight.

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susanthe

7:15 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012

Ken,

What names did I call you? A direct quote would be most helpful.

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Ken Eyring

8:04 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012

Susan, this is getting us nowhere. I did not say you called me a name. You called others a derogatory name. I've made my points, and understand that you are not in agreement with any of them. I'm fine with that. Before we end this though, how about sharing your full name with all of us?

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Mike black

7:24 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

She is Susan Bruce, an old spinster liberal who lives with cats.

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Mike Healey

7:37 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

And Mike black pretends he is an "ex navy seal", until he gets caught in the lie.
Obviously hiding behind an alias for good reason.

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Mike black

8:12 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

You are wrong Heeley. I am Mike Black, and I never pretented to be anything. Show proof of your claims please.
And is it true you dont live in NH ? If so, what do you care about NH state issues ?

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Mike Healey

8:48 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

Yes, I understand your alias is Mike black(but we both know it not your real name).
And you can lie all you want about you "ex navy seal" fakery, but we both remember.

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Mike black

9:05 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

You are confusing me with another. My name is Mike Black, you can look it up. And I dont know what you are talking about navy seal fakery. And I see you are avoiding your residence question again.

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Mike Healey

9:42 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

I have been living in and will continue to live in New Hampshire for the rest of my life.
As I continue to state over and over and over and over and over....

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Seamus Carty

9:59 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

"I have been living in and will continue to live in New Hampshire for the rest of my life."

Then change your home patch to one in NH. I was originally under Concord and changed it to Nashua.

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susanthe

5:43 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

@Mike Black - so if I say that you are an angry white guy who lives with his mom, you and I will have achieved the same level of descriptive honesty about one another? (don't forget to tell mom to put Cheetos on the shopping list!)

susanthe

8:17 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012

Ken, let us summarize. You don't like being challenged. You've chosen NOT to respond to any of my points, preferring to just repeat the Charlie Arlinghaus mantra. You became miffed that I refused to bow before the great Arlinghaus, and even more miffed that I failed to show proper respect to the Teabaggers, John Birchers, and Free Staters who did their best to make NH a running joke on late night TV. I notice you didn't become miffed with anyone other than me, for not using a name that you couldn't identify. It's the internet, Ken. People can post anonymously. I have no idea if your name is really Ken Eyring. You could be anyone. To get prissy about pseudonyms in comment sections smacks of "hey you kids, get off my lawn."
I could google you, but, really - I just don't care. I get the feeling I'm not posting with the level of decorum you're accustomed to from the wimmins.

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Ken Eyring

8:36 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012

I don't mind being challenged at all. I like to hear differing points of view, but you ask me to defend issues that I am not inclined to support. My original posting regarded a fact. That our spending had increased 24% between 2006-2010. Subsequently I posted that our current legislature reduced state spending by close to 10%, rolling back spending to 2006 levels -- and balancing the budget without increasing taxes of fees.

In your last post, you again made an incorrect assumption. I am not miffed with you or anyone else. I understand it is hard to read someone's intent via written words, and perhaps this is where we are out of sync.

Charles Hatch

10:56 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012

Well that went well ... Ya think.
In all fairness Perception is not reality.
Truth be known, I like politics I like politicians.
It takes courage to throw your hat in the ring.
" It's easy to be brave from a distance "
Native American Indian proverb

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Tim Condon

7:43 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

Taxes will increase, state government will grow, economic vitality in NH will decline...all predictable and historic examples of what the Destructive Democrats always do. Those of you who proudly voted for it? You'll get what you voted for, of course. Then the Republicans will once again have to come in and clean up the mess. History repeats itself.

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Mike Healey

2:56 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

New Hampshire's Republican state legislature has our unemployment at 5.7%.
How is that "economic vitality"?

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susanthe

5:45 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Oh, tell the truth, Tim. You're not just a Republican, you're a part of the Free State Project, the group of wahoos trying to move here to take over and dismantle our state government.

John reuter

7:55 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

We need to share wealth and tax all workes to give to the poor. We are all rich so why should we all not be taxed more. Consume less share more. I support taxing gov workers 10% more as well

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Seamus Carty

10:00 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

" I support taxing gov workers 10% more as well"

You were doing well until that last comment. Carelessness like that will get you banished by the liberal Democratic Party and the resident Patch-Libs....

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Billnh

10:40 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

Have all the rich who are in favor of increased taxes done so yet, or will they continue to max out their deductions as the president did ?

John reuter

10:59 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

I feel it is so important to tax the public workers at a higher rate as they are not producing or adding to the the economy as a private sector worker does. With this being said I am encouraging all people to do their share of sharing. When I get my Gov Job I will be happy to pay an additional 15% so others can share

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Mike Healey

11:46 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

Public employees already are taxed more than the rust of us with their meager pay and they are also denied Social Security in most cases.

And do you really add to the economy John? Really?

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Mike Healey

11:47 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

How about mandatory drug testing for anyone who takes a tax deduction?

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salemvoter

1:18 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Mike-Whats the average retirement age for public workers. If your in the private sector you need to wait until you are 62 to recieve partial Social Security benefits and 66 to reach full benefits.

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Mike Healey

1:46 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

It doesn't matter when you retire as a public sector employee, you will never get Social Security.

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Mike Healey

1:54 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

I read one one website that the average retirement age for a public employee was 61.

John reuter

12:10 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

I like the mandatory drug testing idea. But I do not think that public pay is meager. It takes ten private sector workers to fund one public workers pay and bennies. Thus I think the share the wealth equation needs to be tweaked. I don't think any fair minded Gov worker would not agree to the fair tax I propose.

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Mike Healey

12:18 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Ah the dreamy world of delusion.....
It sounds so nice, I hope to visit someday....

John reuter

12:46 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

what is dreamy ? It is crunch time and we are so looking for solutions. I like your idea of taxing Unions as the businesses that they are. It is so good to see people putting together workable solutions.

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Mike Healey

1:00 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

dream·y/ˈdrēmē/
Adjective:
Reflecting a preoccupation with pleasant thoughts that distract one from one's present surroundings.
(of a person) Not practical; given to daydreaming: "a dreamy boy who grew up absorbed in poetry".

John reuter

1:26 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Salemvoter good point if we move up the public sector to age 75

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Mike Healey

2:54 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

75 Year old firemen, police, EMT's?
Same 75 year minimum retirement for our military as well?

John reuter

3:23 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

well if they want to retire early that will be ok. how else can we afford to pay our bills? Mike what is your plan? Do we take all of Oprah Winfrey's wealth and redistribute? Tell me your dream. My Father worked as an electrician till 65 with a bad back.

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Mike Healey

3:49 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Obviously your father was lazy for not keeping at it until he was 75.

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Mike Healey

3:51 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

"what is your plan?" For what? My plan for abusing public sector employees? I don't see any need to take out my petty angers on school teachers, firemen, or cops.

John reuter

3:53 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

oh no not really at the time he retired they wanted him to as times were different. but are you saying that all workers under 65 are Lazy?

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Mike Healey

4:26 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

I'm saying 65 year old's are ten years short of your new arbitrary retirement age of 75.

John reuter

3:58 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

So Mike would you agree to tax and additional 20% for rich making over $250,000 who are in the entertainment and sports business and an extra 10% for business owners as long as we taxed as corporations Unions and taxed public sector workers an extra 10% and extend their retirement to 70? If they want to opt to a lower age they could agree to a 50% reduction of their pension. Seems like a fair starting point. Can you agree?

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Mike Healey

4:29 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

I'm not sure why you are so willing to make so many assumptions about what I would agree to. I don't want to be a party to any of your nonsense.

John reuter

4:17 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

mike you seem to be getting upset. What petty angers? we are presenting real solutions. Who are you talking your anger out on when you want to make someone pay? Who should pay more? Why should some pay more and not others? I thought we were sharing?

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Mike Healey

4:37 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Again, I have no idea what you are talking about.
You seem to be spouting off all kinds of half baked ideas.
Who do I want to "make pay"? Taxes?
If we are suggesting crazy tax schemes, how about we all pay the same rate of taxes on our net worth each year?
10% Flat tax on net worth?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/18/1133157/-We-ALL-pay-taxes-and-it-s-regressive

John reuter

4:31 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

nonsense I am proposing solutions but you seem one sided. So you want others to bail you out? You don't feel all parties need to help?

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sihu

4:37 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

what Douglas replied I can't believe that people can get paid $4671 in 4 weeks on the computer. did you look at this web page Cloud65.com

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Arthur Clough

4:38 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

To understand the magnitude of the problem with pension funding you have to look at some of the payouts compared to lifetime contributions.
William Mortimer contributed 51K over his carreer. He started receiving a pension in 1988 and currently receives 92K annually. Other examples:
William Mortimer-->51K --> 1988 -->92K current (repeated from above)
Robert Lister --> 102k --> 2009 --> 82K
James E. Coughenour--> 153K -->2008 --> 72k
Frank S. Ott --> 99k --> 2003 --> current 74K
Robin N. Burdick --> 91K --> 2009 --> 78K
It doesn't take an advanced degree to see from the math for some of these pensions that no investment is going to come close to paying the employee pensions. That is why we have a 4 Billion+ deficit.Now that the state is unmasking how much pensions really costs by decentralizing the city's contribution and making it local,we are getting a pretty good idea of why our services are so thin. We have to pay substantial dollars into the state pension system. For a very long time the system was skewed to the pensioner beyond reason. These well-hidden fantasy pensions have existed for too long. They are unfair to the taxpayers who have to pick up for the slack in the contribution to obscene payout ratio.Some small corrections have been made but we are still looking at a long term reduction in services due to pension benefits that the municipalities will pay more directly.Some fear that the newly elected house will try to roll back some of the reforms.

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Mike Healey

4:50 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

The only reason tax payers are even involved today in the pensions is because of municipalities systemic short changing of their end of the funding.

Most never collect anywhere near what should have been paid in for them.

John reuter

4:50 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Mike I do not think a 10% flat tax will feed the Democratic monster. Can you show me how it will cash flow for us?

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Mike Healey

5:03 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Currently the top 1% only pays 2% or less of their net worth in taxes, It might have to be lower.

John reuter

4:59 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Mike bail you out of you train wreck of debt? How will we pay it off if we don't come up with solutions? Come up with an original thought mean while we will have Hassan hiring more public workers we can not pay for.

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Mike Healey

5:06 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

You seem to be awfully confused.
How much debt do you think New Hampshire is carrying?

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Mike Healey

5:06 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Who do you think Hassan has hired already?

Arthur Clough

5:16 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

The pension model is unsustainable. When you can put in 50K as an individual and have a pension running for 24 years and at year 24 you are earning 92K, the money has to come from somewhere.It comes from taxes.You can dress it up anyway that you want but saying that the municipalities are shortchanging the system might be right, but the burden that the municipalities have to pay is too high.The pension was/is unrealistic based on the employee contributions. It's been hidden for a long time, but it looks like you didn't do the simple math above.Lister retired in 2009. At 80K+ a year for 4 years, not only does he exhaust the 102K that he put in, but he exhausts the artificial intererest rate that would put his employer/state/and combined contribution at 320K. Due to NH Freedom of Information requests we're starting to learn the truth about the state pension system. It's consuming our town's and city's and state's taxes.Social Security has a higher entry rate of 65 years of age and has a cap of <28K. Public pensions have crazy rules.If someone in a fire department fills in for a week while a higher ranking officer is on vacation, he gets the higher ranking pension.It's rules like this that still are breaking the back of this pipe dream pension system. I have a background and certification in treasury operations/finance.The numbers don't work. Look at the contributions,look at the payout. With the population declining, things look grim for funding.Prepare for reduced services

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John reuter

5:34 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Mike I think she plans to hire many but in not yet in office. I think she will add 30% to the public sector workforce. Do you think she will do the right thing and announce a hiring and wage freeze?

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Mike Healey

5:48 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

You "think"? Why would you pull crazy percentage out of thin air?

John reuter

5:35 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

So Mike you said "Currently the top 1% only pays 2% or less of their net worth in taxes, It might have to be lower." so is you flat tax based on 1 to 2 % of Net Worth each year. You are right you have confused me on you thoughts

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Mike Healey

5:49 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

I didn't think you were keeping up.

Arthur Clough

5:38 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Prepare for higher taxes. Per capita income decreased in NH, but not for public labor union employees. They got COLA's, step raises, longevity bonuses, etc. The US population is in decline. Personal income is in decline. Personal debt is on the rise. This is a pyramid scheme that has no way of being fixed without increasing the tax base. That's hard to do without increasing the number of citizens, especially working citizens. If NH raises taxes we will become less business friendly. The European failures over the last 4 years are a indication of what we have coming if we don't adopt some austerity measures. I'm not happy about our situation but you have to look at the reality of our bruised economy.
We have to simplify and work together for a solution. I'm dismayed that our society has lost the community spirit of sacrifice that we had during WWII. We are generally self-centered and feel entitled. Regretfully the winds of change over the next 10 years are going to push us to an understanding of our economic reality.We have too many retirees with too few workers.We borrowed to prosperity. We have made financial promises beyond our means.Who will lead our people to thrift? How will we replenish the population if not through immigration? What will we do when we can't take care of basic human needs and people haven't saved?
Our somewhat healthy personal economic status today exists only because the Fed hyperprinted currency. We stand to decline further.

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Mike Healey

5:53 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Personal debt is at historic lows.
Austerity is why Europe is not recovering.
Right wing self-centered economic ideas are bad for America.
The fantasy world you have created must be very scary to live in.
Come on out of that crazy right wing bubble, the world is no where near as dire as your fears,

John reuter

6:01 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Mike skeaking of pulling things out of ........ Well your last statement is 100% faulse

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John reuter

6:04 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

why 30%? More public sectors? Democrats believe austerity kills growth. So Hassan will ballon the public work force thinking she will stimulate growth

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Johnq

6:22 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Ask the question in two to four years when we have an income and sales tax because it will be the only way to pay for the 40 - 50% budget increases and the massive structural deficit.

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Riley Reid

9:13 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

O'Brien should have been forced out after he bullied a female legislator and brought her to tears. Or after he cleared the house gallery which was against the law.

Republicans should have been ashamed of him and cleaned their own house

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Johnq

10:05 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Controversial is not the same thing as against the law. The shameful display from the unions is what should really embarrass the state. The NH Republicans never tried to shout down other reps. But yes, now that the unions have gotten their way we'll return to civility while we go down a path towards fiscal disorder. Well actually the GOP senate majority should be a good firewall against left wing extremism.

Arthur Clough

10:02 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Leverage is a short term solution. We have been leveraged every year that we have had a budget deficit and had to borrow. There's always some reason. Our government keeps growing. Both major political parties have their blame. Economies have indicators that give us reasonable predictors of where you're going to be over time. Declining population, diminishing jobs for the chronically uneducated, global competition enable by fast and cheap real-time communication, inferior public education, and endless entitlements are pushing us over the cliff. It's reversable, but not by just whistling Zip-a-dee-doo-dah and saying that we don't need to make any changes. We just had 10 years of war and we didn't sacrifice to pay with it. What happened to the American spirit of sacrifice? Optimism is great, but it needs to be balanced with a realistic self-examination. People are leveraged in there personal finance. I know far too many people who are a paycheck or two away from financial implosion. The Republicans are being criticized for being harsh. When the day comes that we can no longer borrow money, what happens? Our credit rating has dropped. That hadn't happened in 50 years. The collective household debt of the US is 13 trillion dollars. Add that to 16 Trillion dollars of federal debt. Our nations yearly economic output is 15 trillion dollars. It's not a single party's fault. It's been heading this way for 40 years.

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Arthur Clough

10:04 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Mike, the reason that Europe is not recovering is because a few nations like Greece and Spain got to virtually have Germany's credit rating. The worst mistake that Germany made was to give up their soveriegn currency. The UK didn't and they don't have the same mess as Europe. Austerity measures were made in countries that overextended their credit. Can you think of a country with three initials that is overextending its credit?

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