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POLL: Should Voter ID be Repealed?

Vote in our poll, and share your thoughts in the comments field below.

 

Just months after it took effect, Voter ID is expected to be debated by the Legislature again this year.

State Rep. Tim Horrigan (D-Durham) has sponsored a bill seeking to repeal the controversial law approved last year by the Republican-led Legislature. Voter ID gained traction in part due to the James O'Keefe undercover voter controversy during the New Hampshire Primary.

Voter ID requires anyone voting to provide a driver's license or non-driver identification, a U.S. military ID, passport or a sworn affidavit including pictures before being allowed to vote. 

What do you think? Should Voter ID be repealed? Or is the law needed here in New Hampshire to cut back on voter fraud? Vote in our poll below, and leave a comment with your thoughts.

  • Should Voter ID be repealed?

    (Voting has been closed for this question)
    • Yes
        59 (33%)
    • No
        119 (66%)
    Total votes: 178
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Survivor.

1:42 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

U are a Patch Lab Rat participating in this poll.

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blah

3:18 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

It's a tool to get you to sign up. I gave them bogus information.

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Patriot

6:56 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

And what is so wrong with that? Whether you realize it or not your whole life has amounted to be, in one form or another, as a lab rat. Bath in the fact that you have a better diet and when completing a study you are allowed to live.

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Johnathan Vail

9:52 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Yeh? Still waiting for my cheese...

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Carol Robidoux

2:18 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

Survivor, you need to turn that cynical frown upside down! Just a conversation starter.

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Carol Robidoux

3:52 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

Dear Blah: Of course we'd like you to sign up so you can receive our FREE daily newsletter, and be part of the local Patch community. You can opt out any time. We aren't trying to take advantage of you. Honest. And Survivor, sure, you can make a characterization about me if you'd like. I was just pointing out that you are being cynical when you say that someone answering a Patch Poll is a lab rat. And it's not a great analogy anyway, as lab rats have no say in what they're doing. As your Patch Editor, I work hard to bring you the most relevant information I can find, I try to bring a little fun to the mix, and mostly follow your lead when it comes to the kind of information you, as readers, are looking for. I'm just chagrined that anyone would cast aspersions on my Saturday poll question, or my intentions with my readers.

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Kevin Murphy

4:03 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Carol, I for one, can tell you that your work is much appreciated. People's arms aren't being twisted to be here. Some people just can't say a good word about anything.

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Patriot

5:59 am on Monday, January 7, 2013

@Carol Robidoux, it appears to have worked!

Survivor.

2:40 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

A Patch Editor making characterizations about a commenter. Is turn about fair play?

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Patriot

7:00 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

[Art.] 22. [Free Speech; Liberty of the Press.] Free speech and liberty of the press are essential to the security of freedom in a state: They ought, therefore, to be inviolably preserved.
June 2, 1784

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Patriot

7:02 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

What is important, contemplation the thought and not the author.

steve forte

2:42 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

If your life is such a mess that you are incapable of doing something as simple as identifiying yourself, then this country will be in better shape if your not involved in the decision making process.

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Nikki Arguin

5:16 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

So, people who have a bad year, or are down on their luck that can't afford a license for a short time... because they lost a job, or were sick, etc... we should just not listen to their voice at all?

Why don't you say the pledge of allegiance right now... remind yourself that you are an American.

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Seamus Carty

5:31 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

"So, people who have a bad year, or are down on their luck that can't afford a license for a short time... because they lost a job, or were sick, etc... we should just not listen to their voice at all?"

Just go down to the DMC and get a non-drivers ID.

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Nikki Arguin

5:42 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

That still costs 10 dollars, plus time to get off work, if you are working and gas money to get down there. Thank God you have never been poor and don't know what ten dollars missing from your budget does to you.

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Seamus Carty

5:45 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

"Thank God you have never been poor and don't know what ten dollars missing from your budget does to you."

Who the heck are you to make assumptions about my background or history.

As for your $10 assertion you are either mistaken or a liar. The ID is free:

"A voter who does not have an approved photo ID may obtain a free photo ID for voting purposes only by presenting a voucher from their town/city clerk or the Secretary of State to any NH DMV office that issues identification."

http://amherst.patch.com/articles/faqs-how-the-nh-voter-id-law-will-work

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Nikki Arguin

5:53 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

A. One would have to know that in order to know to get the voucher, gen pop just hears they need an id. Even here, its not on the page http://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/dmv/driver-licensing/non-driver-identification/index.htm only a link to the law. Most people know that laws are written in a legal ease they do not understand, nor would they think there would be a freebie in the law for them to click on it.

B. It still takes time and money to get to the DMV, now you have to take time off to visit the city clerk.

C. I say it is a pretty good assumption, because if you were ever poor enough to dread renewing your license because you had a bad year... then you wouldn't be sqawking so loud. Its not that hard to deduce, that tho you may think you were poor, you have no idea what you are talking about.

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Celia Brown

10:48 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Im sure if Nikki's slow and dimwitted fictitious person(s) found that there was a free cell phone involved, I'm sure they take off from work a few minutes early.

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Nikki Arguin

7:43 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

So much anger against the poor, let's hope that you don't become one of the elderly that everybody forgets and is expected to survive on pennies. Clutch onto the hopes that you won't be one of these people, ever.

Do you call yourself a Christian? or do you only use the parts of the bible to condemn people? Freaking disgusting the disdain people have for their fellow AMERICAN. Doesn't matter if they fought for this country, survived horrors untold, if they are poor or different.. let's sweep them under the covers. How do you sleep at night?

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Seamus Carty

9:41 am on Monday, January 7, 2013

So, someone can register to vote and get down to the polls to vote, but they are unable to go get a replacement ID when they have lost theirs after registration but before voting day? Right...

As for knowing how to vote or how to get an ID for voting, that information is available in newspapers and on the internet, both free at local libraries.

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Scott Prevett

11:22 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Personally, I don't know why an expired ID should be refused if the picture still looks like you. I've always been boggled by idiots who check ID's, then refuse it because it's expired. It's the license privileges that expire, not the recognizance. How can proof of identity expire if the person showing it still clearly looks like the picture?
Anyway if that's not part of the law, it should be. An expired ID is still an ID and should be treated as such at polling places.

Reality Geezer

2:49 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

How about an ID for gun slingers?????

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steve forte

2:59 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

lready have to show one to buy a gun. next?

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JIM

9:01 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

sorry jan we already have to show an id to get a permit to carry ...next

Keith F Thompson

3:13 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

To comment on the question-
Yes, Voter ID should be repealed.
It was designed to influence the election. In a way, it was a success. I met many people who were alarmed by the sheer obviousness of the targeting, and they were motivated to get involved. I have become friends with one man who had never been politically active, but he stood outside our polling place for BOTH elections informing people that they did not need an ID to vote. He and his wife have both been inspired and energized by the radicalism of our last legislature.
When you look up"solution in search of a problem" in the dictionary, voter ID should be the first example.
Even if it is repealed, don't assume voter suppression is dead in NH. Those forces that can't win with fair and open elections are still at work in our state, and we should learn from 2010 not to get too comfortable.

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Lauren Gaudette

8:57 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

Voter ID is important for a fair elecion! Voter Fraud is rampant, where people go back to polls repeatedly as different people (mostly deceased people) and voting more than once. If people want to vote, they should bring an ID or an Affidavit telling people that is who they are...very simple to do those things. Voter ID is not meant to prevent people from voting, it is meant to provide a fair election and it has.

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Keith F Thompson

9:23 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

Proud Conservative- Students were targeted see comments from others below.

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Keith F Thompson

9:25 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

Lauren Gaudette-
Please cite the independent group or government agency that has a study showing voter fraud is rampant. You cannot.

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Patriot

7:10 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Who won the election? Gerrymandering, voter ID, the fact that this country is up side down and the President was re-elected indicates change is a fools errand. But when the topics are limited to politics, one should not be surprised when reading these remarks.

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JIM

9:04 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

thompson thinks only NH residents go to NH schools

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Celia Brown

10:50 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

moonbat supermajority will eventually kill it. We all know that. It's wrong but all you people voted for the wrong candidates, and therefore there are consequences like this one....

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Keith F Thompson

3:14 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Ms. Gaudette- you seem to have a problem with reading comprehension. I challenged you to provide an independent source. You provided links to two of the most biased organizations out there, citing actions by admitted video fraudsters.
It is your assertion that voter fraud is rampant. In the mature adult world, it is up to you to provide a reliable, independent source.
Jim- You have no idea what I think, and putting words in my mouth shows how weak your argument is. I am fully aware that out of state students attend school in NH.
Can you put together a long enough response to explain why you think students who spend a minimum of nine months out of the year here, pay rent, buy food and pay taxes here, are not eligible to vote?
Do you advocate taxation without representation in any other situations?

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Mehy

5:59 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

There is no one in this country, unless they are homeless that does not have some kind of ID. As far as someone not having a job and money to get a license that is a personal problem and should not interfere with what is right, nor impose on others that are trying to do the right thing. It is the right humane thing to show ID to identify yourself no matter what. You whiners out there need to stop trying to get out of everything and make live miserable for eveyone. Get up off your butt and do something for your country. Stop talking your way out of everything and contribute to solutions rather than complaining.

Beth Panashida

5:00 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

I t is a non issue, All of my life in many different states including NH. you always have to show picture ID to do anything vote motor vehlcle Reg. virtualy everything.
What has changed? You Dumbies!

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steve forte

6:07 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

Ya even need one to pull a fire permit. Yes thats correct, you need to show ID to burn a pile of brush on your own property.

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Keith F Thompson

9:27 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

Beth Panashida- Is it everything or virtually everything?
It would make sense to show an ID for registering a vehicle, as you need a license to drive one.
Ownership of a car, obtaining a fire permit or accessing your bank account are not Constitutional rights.

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Patriot

7:17 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

So we have so many illiterate voters around that can't find a way to get an ID we have to change the law of common?
Does anyone know what it cost every time a state legislator proposes a law? (or change)
If you can't get a vote ID, you probably won't have any idea who to vote for? IMHO

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Mehy

6:06 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Very good point. Unfortunately there will always be people that will argue against what is right just out of plain misery and lack of common sense.

steve forte

6:06 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

Jan Schmidt

3:44 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

Show one when you carry?

Depends Jan. Law says no. A game warden in Clarksville tried to tell me differently .

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Jan Schmidt

7:57 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

Same old arguments ...

Register to vote .. show ID
Buy gun .. show ID

Vote ? Show ID
Carry? Hmmmm?

Arturo Conservador

7:39 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

It was more fun when non-residential college students could commit vote fraud.

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Keith F Thompson

9:29 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

Cite your source. Near as I can tell, the only non-resident to attempt voter fraud was James O'Keefe, and he is still afraid to enter the state, as attempted fraud has consequences.

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Classic_Film

10:29 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

<a href="http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/09/16/voter-rolls-in-ohio-are-bloated-experts-say.html">Columbus Dispatch</a>, OH, Sep 2012:
<em>More than 1 out of every 5 registered Ohio voters is probably ineligible to vote. In two counties, the number of registered voters actually exceeds the voting-age population: Northwestern Ohio’s Wood County shows 109 registered voters for every 100 eligible, while in Lawrence County along the Ohio River it’s a mere 104 registered per 100 eligible.

Another 31 counties show registrations at more than 90 percent of those eligible, a rate regarded as unrealistic by most voting experts. The national average is a little more than 70 percent.</em>

<a href="http://www.nypost.com/p/news/politics/item_8dh7PaKRiPc0BFNPZVnGMM">Ohio man bribed by ACORN activists to register to vote 72 times</a>
<a href="http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/2012/09/26/voter-fraud-uncovered-in-absentee-votes-cast-in-florida-new-york-watchdog-group-says-this-is-just-tip-of-the-iceberg/">Voter Fraud Uncovered in Absentee Votes Cast in FL & NY</a>
<a href="http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2012/11/16/video-rampant-voter-fraud-observed-by-poll-watcher-in-va/">Video: Rampant Voter Fraud Witnessed by Poll Watcher in VA</a>
<a href="http://www.nypost.com/p/news/politics/bogus_voter_booted_amid_probe_of_WECdDEdtSRHFkI6NOWjXjP">Bogus voter booted amid probe of ACORN, 4,000 of leftwing group's sign-ups are shady</a>

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Patriot

7:22 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

You can site as many reports of voter fraud as you like, the opposition isn't listening!
""Don't confuse me with the facts my Mind is made up!!!!""

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JIM

9:39 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

to funny !! Thompson you ask to have a source cited then you cite one , OK, James o'keefe is a perfect example of why we need voter id ...happy now ?
it dont matter if its a rebuplican or a democrat of and independant commiting voter fraud its fraud against us all

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Jeannine Stergios-Richardson

6:22 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Yes - that's the liberal idea of Shangri-la. Anything goes in their chaotic brains and apparently their chaotic lives if you believe some of these lame excuses for not having a Photo ID.

Proud Conservative

7:59 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

A photo ID is no big deal. Nearly everyone has to show one for medical appointments, check cashing, bank withdrawals and scores of other everyday activities. If you don't have one, get one and join civilization.

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Mike Healey

10:30 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

We want more than just "Nearly everyone" to vote.

Dan

8:09 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

This law was fueled by the 2010 election. What I think is rather stupid about this law, is that this law is to keep out-of-state college students from voting in New Hampshire's elections, even though some spend anywhere from 8 to 12 months in this state to get a education, and they are at the mercy of the legislators and the laws and fees they create. Furthermore, some of those students live off campus, and yet they too are at the mercy of City Government. Realistically it is a stupid law that is all merged around the immigration issue. The Republicans in this state don't want to push that envelope for the outrage it would cause them, so we have to push that envelope. Furthermore, this law was not on the books for the 2010 election, and the GOP in this state won a 3-1 majority in Legislature. If you are not tied into the tea party, you can see that the college vote didn't hurt the GOP all that much.

However in good New Hampshire GOP fashion..this state can't get over itself, and will reapeal and reenact this bill as the power shifts in Concord. It won't solve budget problems, it won't help the economy, and give people who want to suppress the voting in this state something to do with their lives..

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Patriot

7:27 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

@Dan, poor college kids!
Smart enough to get into college but so dumb they can't understand absentee ballots. Can't figure out how to get an ID card? All smoke and mirrors and as you site the results reflect little difference in out come. I have an ID to cash a check to prevent fraud. Very simple!

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salemvoter

9:55 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Dan- to vote in NH you have to be a citizen of NH. Your argument that a college student spends 8-12 months in this state to get a college education, so they should have the right to vote in this state, implies the out of state student is now a citizen of NH.

Lets talk about UNH, then, by your argument, should that student be able to go to UNH and pay the in-state tuition rate?
How about Dartmouth, should the out of state student be able to vote on the local tax rate even though the university is tax exempt from any tax obligations?

Mike black

8:36 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

How many jobs will this create ?

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Keith F Thompson

9:41 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

How many jobs did enacting the original law create?
It should be noted, no funding was approved for this process, so the costs were downshifted to the towns and cities, and the workload was dumped on the Secretary of State's Office.
An unfunded mandate from our former legislature.

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JIM

9:07 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

funny, the democrat controlled govt can find money to give themselves a raise but cant find the money to stop voter fraud

Lauren Gaudette

9:00 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

Voter ID should stay. This doesn't allow politicians (especially Democrats/Liberals) to win by cheating. That is how Obama has won the elections and it sickens me. The ACORN situation is from lack of Voter ID and Voter ID allows for a fair elecion. What would happen is that 1 person would go to different polling places as people who are deceased and voting mulitple times. Many politicians and centers have paid people to do it. Voter ID puts a stop to it and makes a fair election. I have no problem with Voter ID and I am proud to show it at my polling place.

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Arturo Conservador

9:22 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

A non-driver's ID is $10 in NH and lasts for 5 years. What a hardship!

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Nikki Arguin

9:28 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

Said someone who has never been poor.

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Keith F Thompson

9:50 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

There is no voucher for the time off to go to town or city hall to get the voucher.
There is no voucher for the time off to go to the DMV to use the voucher for a free ID.
There is no voucher for transportation to town hall or DMV.
I see a pattern here.
The poor, the elderly who do not drive, and students who don't have a car in state are the targets of this law, and they are the ones whose means are the most limited.
If it weren't a Constitutionally protected right, I would love to do the blue eye/brown eye experiment at the polls.
What if we targeted people who look middle class? What if we targeted the people who have an ID?
Clerk- "Do you have an ID?"
Voter- "Of course, doesn't everybody?"
Clerk- "Great, please wait in that line for your form, then take it to that second line for your ballot, and then that third line is for the ID-only voters."
Voter- "Those are long lines, what are those booths with no lines for?"
Clerk- "People who don't have an ID"
Suddenly, it's not so hard for callous, thoughtless people to see how ID can be voter suppression.

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JIM

9:10 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

the unemployed get a year of unemployment that should be plenty of time off to get an id

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Mike Healey

10:29 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Its actually free Arturo, but we want more American's to vote, not less.

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susanthe

3:31 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

And you'll be sending a thank you note to the legislature when you get your property tax bill - with the increases related to paying for the ID's the extra help at the polls and all the training, right?

Keith F Thompson

9:38 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

I spent the entire day at Brookline's polling place for both the Primary and General election.
Despite tremendous effort by the Secretary of State's office, misinformation was given both times.
The most hilarious occurrence was the woman who was asked for her ID on primary day-
Woman- "Oh, do I need an ID to vote?"
Clerk- "Yes" (not accurate)
Woman- "Really? I'll have to go back out to my car"
Clerk- "We're just testing today, so you can vote without ID, but it will be required in November" (Again, inaccurate)
Women- "Oh, good. I support the ID law, though. THEY should have to show THEIR ID"
Sums it up nicely in one word- THEY

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Mike black

6:09 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Is there a voucher for spending the day at the polls ? You can't do 10 minutes at the DMV, but you can occupy the polls for hours ? Is there a voucher for your time spent promoting the Brookline Dems ?

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Nikki Arguin

8:40 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Mike, thankfully the polls are open later than the DMV so the average american can find their way to them. Not only are they open late, but how the city zones us makes them pretty much in walking distance to most of its citizens. Not to mention, there are always ways to get free rides. No voucher needed.

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Keith F Thompson

3:34 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Mike Black-
Another one with reading comprehension problems. I do not need a voucher, I spent my own time at the polls. My comment on vouchers wasn't based on personal needs, it's something called empathy. I can understand how it would be a hardship for others.
I know it's hard for you to understand (I'm betting impossible), but my point about vouchers referred to the poor and working poor who have to watch every dollar, and who do not have the luxury of flexible working hours and being able to afford days off.
You seem to have a problem with me being a member of the Brookline Democrats. How that has anything to do with this subject, I don't know. But again, my ability to volunteer my time has nothing to do with asking the working poor, people without cars, the elderly and students to get an ID to vote.
It doesn't really matter how easy it is/isn't, it's the fact that they shouldn't have to.

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Keith F Thompson

3:37 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Oh, and Mike Black- Since when has a trip to the DMV ever taken ten minutes?
If you can't be honest about the basic inconvenience and inefficiency of the DMV, how can anyone take anything you say seriously?
Especially when most towns in the state don't have a DMV, and many DMV's aren't even open all week or full days?
http://www.dmv.org/nh-new-hampshire/dmv-office-finder.php

steve forte

5:47 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Nikki , you dont have $2 a yr?

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Nikki Arguin

8:33 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Steve, Any fool can tell I have more than two dollars a year as I have internet connection and a computer. However, if you must know, I do remember a time where on average my grocery budget was twenty dollars for two weeks ... and quite a few times it was five dollars for two weeks. (to this day I cant stand top roman)

But don't worry about me now Steve, I fought hard and am now living my own version of the American Dream.

steve forte

6:30 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Jan Schmidt

7:57 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

Same old arguments ...

Register to vote .. show ID
Buy gun .. show ID

Vote ? Show ID
Carry? Hmmmm?

Actualy Jan one must have an ID on them to carry. Happy now?

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Jan Schmidt

8:18 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Please provide a link to this info

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salemvoter

9:57 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Jan, as you have written many times. Please research the information yourself, you will find that self education is more meaningfull.

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Mike Healey

10:28 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

jims a perfect example of a stupid anonymous poster who doesn't know the laws or how to read.

Bob Gibbs

7:14 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

I was going to vote here, but this conversation is so off topic and off the wall, I'm not going to bother

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Patriot

8:08 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Just contact your state rep. We where more concerned about your thoughts than the vote.

Patriot

7:35 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

I love the poor person argument the best!
Some how I have a sneaky suspicion that if you are in such dire straights that you can't get a picture Identification you could careless about voting.

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Nikki Arguin

8:24 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Uh really? You just showed how little you know. I find it odd that your name is patriot... America is made up of it's people, ALL its people.. how patriotic can you be when you have such disdain for its poor.

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Patriot

8:49 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

1.
a person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion.
2.
a person who regards himself or herself as a defender, especially of individual rights, against presumed interference by the federal government.

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Patriot

8:51 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

one person, one vote!
This insures the results are accurate.

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Nikki Arguin

9:59 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

lol, by your own definition 2.. you do not fall under its umbrella of what a patriot is... hilarious

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Patriot

11:41 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Nikki, my vote is worth 1. You vote twice or once illegally you took my vote away. Voter fraud is illegal and accurate voter identification only strengthens a voters right. It appears that some would dilute the accuracy of a vote.
I have to go through a voter check list to get a ballot. Why not fight to get that removed as well? Why stop just one hindrance? Why not just let everyone vote for 2 weeks?
Other than having fun writing most of this dialog is garbage. You would never have a bank account that could be accessed without identification.

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Patriot

1:38 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Thanks susanthe, its not easy!

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Nikki Arguin

7:47 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

The funny thing is, statistically voter fraud happens more rampantly in absentee ballet... which people who tend to use absentee tend to vote republican... but we don't see stricter rules on that ... now do we? Republicans would be crying fowl up and down this country. Just ridiculous that the right to vote has become a party issue. Everyone should have the same, unhindered right to vote. We learned that growing up in school, funny how we forget when we draw battle lines.

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Nikki Arguin

7:49 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Oh, and it's still hilarious you claim to be a patriot... ive seen a lot of fake names on this site, but yours sir.. is the fakest.

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Patriot

7:58 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Oh Nikki that really hurt. And here I thought we where just getting close. ;+)

Patriot

7:36 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Next time you find a pan handler give him $10 and follow the money!

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Patriot

7:39 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

I bet it would be more insightful than standing at a polling station all day. @Keith, did you present the clerk with the facts or allow the misinformation to continue?

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Keith F Thompson

3:27 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Patriot-
You show you ignorance again. As an observer at the polls, I was not allowed to speak to either the poll workers or people voting.
I was there to observe, not interfere. I leave that for the vigilantes from the right-wing folks like True the Vote.
I did report my observations to the moderator and to the observer from the Attorney General's Office.
Saying something to the clerks would've been interfering with voting, and it would have put the blame in the wrong place. The law is flawed, and the clerks were doing the best they could.

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Patriot

7:39 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Clerk, moderator, polling supervisor, what ever!

Charles Hatch

8:07 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Yes... The Voter ID is just another republicans extreume .

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Patriot

9:29 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Just republicans voted for this law? Charles!!!!!!

Bandofotters

8:38 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Absolutely keep it. I hope, however, that our lawmakers wrote into the law the usage of expired IDs. I was at Logan and witnessed the acceptance of a passenger's expired license. I am a senior and am offended when detractors use the ageist or racist card to oppose this. As if we are inferior and need their protection! Why not make sure that my vote will count, instead?

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Scott Johnson

8:38 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

I'm not sure who I'm talking to. I forgot my I D this past election (I didn't know I needed it). I stepped out of line and went over to the table where the town clerk was sitting. It cost me no money, nor a trip across town. By presenting an I D, my vote is still anonymous. .

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ForThePeople

11:33 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

This past election was a trial run. You probably had to sign an affidavit. You will not get away with that next time. Presenting an ID is a hardship for many people (we already had discussions on this forum about people who were turned away across the country for not having the right ID).

ObserverNH

8:51 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

We have had voter suppression for years. Twice I was unable to vote because someone had stolen my ID. Voter suppression must stop! The reams of fraud collected by groups who research this issue is proof that there are many others like me. NO do not repeal voter ID. It's an obvious attempt to suppress our votes by Democrats who know that's how they won this time.. voting multiple times in multiple towns and cities. Why, they were on Twitter bragging about it!

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Mike Healey

10:26 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Tell us what the poll workers did when you told them someone voted in your stead in this made up story?

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susanthe

1:39 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

And you, of course, complained to the poll workers, the moderator, the officer on duty at the polls, and called the Secretary of State and the State AG's office, AND your local newspaper, right?

Anecdotes are not fact.

Kevin Kervick

9:11 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

The law should be strengthened. A responsibility of citizenship is having the wherewithall to get an ID and be able to present it. I am dismayed that anyone could be against such a common sense requirement, that is unless they have nefarious intentions.

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Proud Conservative

9:16 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Eleven states now have more people on welfare than they have working. Obama's Race to the Bottom continues!

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Mike Healey

10:24 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Eleven REPUBLICAN states.
The GOP's Race to the Bottom continues!

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Mike Healey

10:40 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Funny Stat. The "welfare" number includes anyone who receives any government benefit PLUS everyone who lives in that house.
And compares it to tax return received without counting everyone in those households.

You Rightwingers really hate math.

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Proud Conservative

10:42 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Seven of the eleven states voted for Obama in the last election.

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Mike Healey

12:15 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

I didn't know States could vote...

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susanthe

1:40 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

You're off topic, Mr. Conservative. The topic is not other states or the president. The topic is whether or not NH needs a voter ID law. Perhaps you could provide some proof of widespread voting fraud in our state?

salemvoter

10:00 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

The next presidential election is in 4 years. The next congressional election is in 2 years. State and local elections happen in 3-9 months.

Everyone has ample time to get an ID to vote.

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Lisa

10:03 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

I absolutely feel this is a necessary law. The film maker missed many of us military moms with sons who hadnt yet voted, finding their names checked off as having voted in the 2008 primary. This was uncovered when my son came home on a surprise leave that week. He went to vote the afternoon of the primaries and was told he already voted. He asked how he voted if he was just arriving home on leave? It spurred us to call the families of all the soldiers we know to find out from them if they voted. Then they went to the voting places to see if their names had been checked off and at the rate of 90% they had. We notified the Secretary of State who said "an investigation would be requested". Not one of the soldiers in question were ever asked about it. Some investigation eh?
So NH may just have been the tip of the iceberg in the voter fraud. Why are they afraid to identify people by ID's? Are they afraid they may not win if only people who really are who they say they are vote? Why ID drinkers, speeders, etc? Let them say they are old enough or e ligible to drive then too!
Anyone can get an ID if they are 18 or older so it isnt singling out anyone except illegals! Hmm.

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Mike Healey

10:13 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

What and unbelievable story......completely unbelievable.

Mike Healey

10:23 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

New Hampshire's voter I.D. requirement works and should be a model for the nation. Not only should we keep it, we should expand it.

New Hampshire's voter I.D. requirement allows for everyone without an I.D. to vote with a simple signing of an affidavit, and soon a photo. These citizens are allowed to vote with a real ballot(not provisional) on election day.

The address on the affidavit receives a letter after the election with a "return if you live here" card. We now have a verified address and a photo, why not use that photo to create a voter I.D. and return it to the voter?

This is a great opportunity to provide a service to the citizens of New Hampshire. Imagine how helpful it would be to New Hampshire's disenfranchised to have an I.D.

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Proud Conservative

10:41 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Getting a photo ID is not difficult, nor costly. We don't need to coddle people and hold their hand to get them an ID. You want to vote, get an ID. It's really that simple. And don't give me the crap about it being so difficult for some people to get to the DMV. They manage quite well to get to the friggin' welfare office, CAP office and all the other freebie places.

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Mike Healey

10:44 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

We have already gone though all that effort PC, why would you want to duplicate it? You're just creating more government bureaucracy.

tarzan

10:47 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Vote to close the goffstown library....they attacked a persons disability...and even took it upon them selves to disturb a doctors visit....and then trackperson down and new state to see if they were suing them.....but yet....slander person name again......its going to be a bad month for goffstown

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Gary Patton

11:49 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Voter ID is one of those things that looks good at first glance, but gets progressively worse as you investigate it. Basically, it is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Only one case of voter impersonation has been found in NH. Voter ID does nothing to prevent absentee ballot fraud or other more serious forms of voting fraud.

Presently, a voter must have government-approved photo ID. That leaves out non-drivers and private school students. (Approximately 22,000,000 people nationwide.) To get a free voter ID, someone in Hampton must get a voucher from the Town Clerk and then get someone to drive them 20 odd miles to the DMV in Dover. Ye gads! Voting is supposed to be easy.

If you must have voter ID, at least allow for many alternate forms of ID so legitimate voters aren't denied the opportunity to vote,

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Mike Healey

12:19 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

But New Hampshire allows everyone to vote.
If they don't have an I.D. they can sign an affidavit to get a real ballot that really counts. If we put a little more effort into that affidavit system we could be PROVIDING I.D. from the information provided by that voter on election day. New Hampshire's disenfranchised get to vote AND get an I.D. to boot. Win Win!

susanthe

12:29 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

There is no voter fraud in NH - something that's been proven over and over again. The Constitution gives citizens the right to vote - but doesn't mention ID.

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Patriot

1:32 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

@susanthe, perfect! Validating your identity does not prevent you from voting. Validating your identification improves security and cuts back on fraud.
Glad you brought it up!

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steve forte

2:43 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

The constitution gives folks the right to guns but dosnt mentiuon regulation. See folks on both sides of the issue can pick and choose the constitution the way they want.

BTW , did ya get a real job yet or at pushing 60 yrs old are you still " almost homeless" and its still everyone fault but your own?

susanthe

1:42 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

You have yet to present any case for WHY NH needs a voter ID law, given that there is no voter fraud here. Isn't an uneccessary law a form of NANNY STATISM? Did you support the REAL ID law, Patriot??

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Patriot

1:53 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

susanthe, I joined the military because of the threat. We work together for the sake of security. When I open an account I write, "must show ID."
I had someone work for me and they could not charge my account. I had to drive to the store which was very inconvenient but worth the aggravation.
I like HIPAA and I don't have my SSI number on my license. Security susanthe, all about security. IMHO

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susanthe

2:17 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

NH isn't a police state, Patriot. You're also avoiding my questions. Did you support the REAL ID law? Can you provide proof of voter fraud in NH?

LongTimer

2:17 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Once the democrats finish the conversion to socialism then we won't have to even worrying about some poor person who can't afford an ID. You all are pathetic pigs supporting the free stuff

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Mehy

6:22 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Agree 100%. The liberals will not rest until everything is under law and regulations and then they will tell all those dumb ones that keep screaming " the gov needs to protect us" they got exactly what they wanted. We are out numbered by a majority of lazy, gimme gimme people that never had to do anything for themselves. The manipulation of the majority game was well played and they did not even realize it.

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susanthe

6:45 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

@Mehy, you said - "the liberals will not rest until everything is under law and regulations." Yet here you are arguing for a law that isn't necessary, since there is no voter fraud.

Irony: discuss.

Patriot

2:29 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Never read the REAL ID law susanthe, but if you have a copy I will read it and let you know. I also don't have access to the AG's office or how many cases they have investigated. I am sure that one could ask the question.
I will say that NH is not perfect and there must be irregularities and conflicts one could point out on both sides of this issue. There for I support voter Identification.

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susanthe

2:56 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

In other words, you don't have a case for this, and you expect ME to do your research for you. Sorry, that's not the way it works. Also, I'm astounded that you don't remember REAL ID. You're not a very well informed patriot.

Patriot

3:21 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

@susanthe, here, I did not know what it entailed, I am not in a position to have access to the details and from what I just read it's dead.
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Patriot

3:24 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

@susanthe, how does the REAL ID Act interface with voter ID in NH?

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susanthe

3:28 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Still doing the diversionary tapdance, I see. Did you support the REAL ID Act was the question. It was a national ID card, and our information would have gone into a national database. Did you support that at the time? Would you support it now, if it came back?

Where, exactly, did I say that there was an interface between Real ID and NH Nanny voter ID law?

Patriot

3:41 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

At least you understood that this thread was not about a national data bank. And your concern whether I support nationalized data collection is mute.
I joined the military and have paid into SSI for over a half century. My drivers license is REAL ID compliant. The government has more than enough information on me, now the millions that cross our borders illegally is a different story. Could I support it? Why not!
Am I willing to say I did? No, tough to support something you read about in the tribune. But look at how many people are fighting the buggy man over voters who maybe disenfranchised.

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susanthe

6:49 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

I believe you mean my concern is moot, and that I'm fighting the boogeyman.

I'm delighted that you finally admit you'd support a national database that we're all plugged into in the brave new feudalistic fascist society you patriots are in favor of.

There is no voter fraud in NH, and as such, it's an unnecessary law that is paid for on the town and county level.

Arturo Conservador

4:41 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

People are forgetting the rules of voting. You vote in the place where you are a legal resident. Lots of snow birds from NH still vote here even though they leave in September. Each state and town has an absentee ballot. That is what non-resident college students would use. Isn't it funny how they don't get resident tuition rates but vote here? Isn't it funny that they sometimes declare themselves as residents of another state for the sake of financial aid, then by voting in NH declare themselves as residents of NH. They want to influence the politics of who is the majority party of the state, but they still want their at-residence rights for tuition, and maybe to vote a second time in their home town. As far as the argument of 10 dollars for a 5 year State ID goes, have them cut back on their smart phone data plan for a month. That will fill in the gap. If that doesn't work they can cut back on cigarettes, junk food, a few cups of coffee, etc. We all do it. I've lived paycheck to paycheck for years at a time. If you feel that it's a big deal, ask your state representative to create a bill to supply hardship IDs.

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Mehy

6:15 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Well put. We know it is only people that have something to hide and nothing better to do than to complain about something that makes no sense.

Jeannine Stergios-Richardson

4:59 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

AS I recall the Obamas went home to IL to vote even though they have been living in DC for almost 4 years now. Why didn't they vote in DC? Because it isn't their PERMANENT HOME. Boy, some of dream up excuses for every dopey Democrat idea. There isn't a single thing you can do without a Photo ID. New Job - need photo ID, apply for welfare = photo ID, apply for social security = photo ID, open bank account = photo ID, register to vote = photo ID, buy a car = photo ID. Anyone who doesn't have a photo ID must live under a rock and probably not interested in voting.

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Mehy

6:11 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

I agree. But that is not good enough for the liberals that try to push their dumb non thought through ideas onto the rest of the country.

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susanthe

6:50 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Opening a bank account is not a right granted to us in the Constitution. Voting is. Try harder, Jeannine.

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Jeannine Stergios-Richardson

6:59 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Somehow I knew the loonies would find a way to disenfranchise what anyone with a lick of sense posts here. In this day and age of rampant credit card and identity fraud, it is important that we verify identities - especially for something as important as voting.

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Patriot

7:20 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

[Art.] 2. [Natural Rights.] All men have certain natural, essential, and inherent rights - among which are, the enjoying and defending life and liberty; acquiring, possessing, and protecting, property;
@susanthe, keeping money secure in a bank is in the constitution.

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Patriot

7:22 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

@susanthe, can you explain the part of the constitution where it writes about the supreme court restoring the privilege to vote?
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No person shall have the right to vote under the constitution of this state who has been convicted of treason, bribery or any willful violation of the election laws of this state or of the United States; but the supreme court may, on notice to the attorney general, restore the privilege to vote to any person who may have forfeited it by conviction of such offenses. Art. 11

Mehy

6:10 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Ownership of a car, obtaining a fire permit or accessing your bank account are not Constitutional rights.

Would not be the first constitutional right Obama is trying to take away from the people. Why is it okay for him to do so and not the local and state gov?

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susanthe

6:51 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

You're contradicting yourself rather painfully there, Mehy. You're miffed at Obama "taking Constitutional rights away from the people" but you're in favor of the same thing. Pot, kettle - meet Mr. Black.

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Patriot

7:25 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

@Mehy, why would you not think it is you constitutional right?

Jeannine Stergios-Richardson

6:55 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

susan
Eligibility to vote in the U.S. is determined by both federal and state law. Each state is given considerable discretion to establish qualifications for suffrage and candidacy within its own jurisdiction. I don't know why you have an "anything goes" attitude toward voting laws.

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susanthe

6:57 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

You mean, you don't understand why I'm pointing out the flaw in your logic. There is no voter fraud in NH, Jeannine. Why do we need a law to address a problem that does not exist? Why must taxpayers bear yet another burden, needlessly?

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susanthe

7:01 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Jeannine - can you show proof of voter fraud in NH?

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Jeannine Stergios-Richardson

7:05 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

How do you know it doesn't exist? The only "flaw" is that you want to get your way and you probably will now that the insane are running the asylum in Concord. States have the right to make their own rules regarding voting. There is no cut and dry "right" that anyone who shows up at the polls can vote.

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susanthe

7:09 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

How do I know? Well, for starters I actually live in NH, and I've done a great deal of research into the matter.

NH has always had a system that worked just fine. There isn't a voter fraud problem, it's a distraction pageant created by the far right.

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Patriot

7:35 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

It is fine tuning a well honed machine!

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Proud Conservative

8:32 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

We haven't had a school shooting problem in NH either. Perhaps you think we should just forget about added safety measures at our schools, eh? Furthermore, how do you know there is no voter fraud in NH? How do you know people haven't voted using names of dead people? How do you know I didn't vote in place of a friend who could care less about going to vote? The simple straightforward answer is, you don't. And if you don't, then you don't know if there's a voter fraud problem here or not. And we don'tt need "proof" of voter fraud to protect against it here in NH or anywhere else. Ever hear the saying "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"? There's a good reason that saying exists. Most of us understand why. Some of us.....well, let's just say some of us aren't the brightest bulbs in the chandelier.

susanthe

7:23 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

@patriot - Oddly, I don't see the word BANK anywhere in that quote. You're being very creative and craven with that interpretation.

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susanthe

7:24 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

@ patriot - I can't think of a single reason why I should. You're off topic.

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Patriot

7:52 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Susanthe, you wrote:
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Opening a bank account is not a right granted to us in the Constitution. Voting is. Try harder, Jeannine.
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The constitution does address the bank account.
"the enjoying and defending life and liberty; acquiring, possessing, and protecting, property;"
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Just responding to your post, we all tend to drift off topic now and again.

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susanthe

7:58 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

I just don't see the word BANK in there. For good reason. It isn't there. You can bend, stretch, and tapdance all you want, but the word bank isn't in there - nor are banks required to acquire, possess, or protect property.

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Patriot

8:06 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Your beautiful, charm and charisma have kept me fascinated all day. The Supreme Court is always trying to decide what the words in the constitution mean. One man one vote! Right?

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susanthe

8:34 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

@Proud Conservative - Oh, I see. We're going to write laws for what MIGHT happen. If that's the case, I suggest you be arrested immediately for beating your wife. Oh, sure, you haven't YET - but you might.

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Hilltopper

8:49 am on Monday, January 7, 2013

--But yet some states write and pass laws making it mandatory to be insured in case you are involved in a motor vehicle accident that "might" happen when driving

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steve forte

10:04 am on Monday, January 7, 2013

Isnt that what just happened with a gun ban in the statehouse?

Proud Conservative

8:38 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Your analogy is the product of a malfunctioning mind.

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susanthe

8:43 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

You can't refute my analogy, can you, PC? Maybe we should arrest you for murder, because you MIGHT kill someone. And then because you like "an ounce of prevention," while you're in prison, we'll amputate your legs. After all, you MIGHT have an industrial accident.

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Jeannine Stergios-Richardson

11:36 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

AMEN!! The reply to my question asking for proof that it doesn't exist was: I know that voter fraud doesn't exist because I live in NH. DUH! I am willing to bet that everyone posting here is living in NH. Lamest reply so far.

Proud Conservative

8:50 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Susanthe - refute your analogy? Your so called analogy is so far out in left field that it's not even in the ball park. You're a classic example of an ignorant, politically naive, low intelligence, gullible moron who's been suckered in by the Obama Smoke and Mirrors Show. You're not even worth trying to have a discussion with.

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Franklin Pierce

8:56 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Thanks to Marc, the bleeding liberal, all the progressives now spout their vile at the neocons and vice versa. Haven't you all figured out by now that there isn't any difference? We had two years of a liberty minded house, one that attempted to protect the rights of individuals. A brief experience in liberty quickly thwarted by the ruling powers on the left and right. Don't you people realize that the left and right are one in the same, controlling the dialogue through their Hegelian dialectic, yielding solutions only acceptable to them and fooling the masses. Stop listening to these communists and fascists and start thinking for yourself. We already live under tyranny, you better wake up before civil society collapses, don't waste your time with Narc the communist any more.

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susanthe

9:03 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Yes, we remember the "liberty minded House." The same House that actually tried to repeal marriage equality. The House that gave us the bill to insert quotes from the Magna Carta in each new piece of legislation. To put up warning signs at the NH/MA border. The same House that cut spending on the state university system, and cut revenue sources, so that there is no money to fix all the stuff that needs fixing. NH has the 11th worst infrastructure in the nation. I guess John Galt will come by to fix everything, right?

The constant drone of FSP talking points is incredibly tedious. If you think that the way you write is going to attract folks to your position - you're in for some big disappointments.

susanthe

8:56 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Oh, I see. You can't back up your baloney, so you're going for name calling and attacks based on assumption alone.

There is nothing intelligent in defending the passage of unneeded bills that only serve to add to the taxpayer burden in this state. Voter ID was not a NH bill, it comes right from ALEC and the Koch brothers. I suggest you lay off the Foxaganda. It's not making you informed or enhancing your manners, which frankly, could use some work.

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susanthe

11:40 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Jeannine - thanks for demonstrating the kind of reading comprehension skills I've come to associate with those of your political persuasion. Just like the Fox watcher you are, you truncated my response to fit your dishonesty.

As I said earlier (and you cut out of the quote) I've done a lot of research. You very obviously are NOT from NH, and don't have any evidence, just a lot of hot Republican air.

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Jeannine Stergios-Richardson

11:47 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

When you mentioned Koch - I knew the mindset I was dealing with. Your proof that voter fraud doesn't exist was something a 12 year old would say. Go ahead and prove I am NOT from NH. Lamest person I have ever wasted time on.

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susanthe

11:50 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

The voter ID bill was ALEC model legislation. Why is that so hard for you to hear, Mrs. Richardson? A twelve year old would tell you that they've done extensive research on voter fraud in NH?

Tell me, Mrs. Richardson - where is the proof that voter fraud exists in NH? SInce you're such a smart, well informed, NH resident, you should have this information at your fingertips.

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Jeannine Stergios-Richardson

12:03 am on Monday, January 7, 2013

The only research you can conduct is what is presented to you. If John SMith's name was checked off as having voted, How do you know it was actually John Smith if he didn't need to show an ID? You still don't have proof that fraud doesn't exist. In my line of work I see fraud and identity theft on a regular basis so voter fraud is entirely possible and why not be proactive and prevent it from future elections?

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susanthe

7:38 am on Monday, January 7, 2013

If John Smith's name was checked off, why didn't he raise hell about it at the polls? There are no cases of this. The NH Secretary of State's office did a great deal of investigation.

You want to prove a negative. So, if we can't prove that fraud doesn't exist, why don't we just enact ALL of our legislation to reflect that kind of thinking. I can't PROVE you haven't stolen massive amounts of money from your employer, but let's be proactive and arrest you anyway, because you MIGHT do it.

Is there a voter ID law in your state, Jeannine?

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Jeannine Stergios-Richardson

8:16 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013

You can't prove it doesn't exist so why are you continuing to pursue this. Why were you sitting in the hearings? Seems a bit of an excessive interest in this? The only people who oppose Voter ID are those who have nefarious purposes. There is no other reason to be opposed.

Patriot

6:06 am on Monday, January 7, 2013

victimless crime - an act that is legally a crime but that seem to have no victims;
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susanthe

7:40 am on Monday, January 7, 2013

In other words, you're not a NH patriot. The Secretary of State's office has done many, many investigations.

Patriot

8:27 am on Monday, January 7, 2013

And I assume they have been unsuccessful in finding any fraud. So if that is the case we should drop the ID requirement and rest in peace. Pearl Harbor only happened once.
The world would be a better place if we all had your rose colored glasses.
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susanthe

8:36 am on Monday, January 7, 2013

No rose colored glasses at all. It means that the system we have in place in NH works just fine without any additional nanny stateism by the GOP. Is there a voter ID law in your state, Patriot?

Your analogy of Pearl Harbor is interesting.One inept guy failed miserably with shoe bombs in an airport - yet we must all take off our shoes when we go through the security lines. School massacres have happened repeatedly, but you don't want to do anything about guns, I'm certain.

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Proud Conservative

8:47 am on Monday, January 7, 2013

School shooting have not occurred in NH. So using your flawed logic, we should not enact any proactive security measures at our schools - at least not until a few students get blown away.

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Patriot

9:03 am on Monday, January 7, 2013

Yeeep! And it did not slow the voter down or prevent Obama from winning!
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Patriot

9:18 am on Monday, January 7, 2013

Funny how you picked on the shoe bomber but forgot why we took him so serious!

Patriot

9:04 am on Monday, January 7, 2013

Carol must be happy, 175 comments about repealing a law.

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susanthe

9:17 am on Monday, January 7, 2013

Pearl Harbor didn't happen in NH, either, Proud Conservative. The flawed logic belongs to your pal Patriot.

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Patriot

10:26 am on Monday, January 7, 2013

So if it doesn't happen in NH we can't consider it when we vote?
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Jeannine Stergios-Richardson

3:28 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013

susanthe's insistence that I don't live in NH needs to be proven. You can't make wild accusations without proof. I happen to live in NH and have for longer than you've been taking up space with foolishness. At least I am easy to find unlike your made up name. You could be posting from Moveon.org's headquarters for all we know.

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steve forte

4:33 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013

susanthe

7:38 am on Monday, January 7, 2013

If John Smith's name was checked off, why didn't he raise hell about it at the polls? There are no cases of this. The NH Secretary of State's office did a great deal of investigation.

And what did this investigation consist of? Lets face it the only way to know is to call each voter who voted and them if they actualy did vote.

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susanthe

8:05 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013

You didn't address the question, Mr. Forte. If John Smith's name wa checked off, why didn't he raise a ruckus? I sat through hours of testimony on the voter ID bill. Many people got up and told long stories of buses from Massachusetts emptying out at the polls, while everyone inside the bus went in and voted in NH. Under committee questioning, not a one of those keen observers informed the moderator, a poll worker, the officer on duty, the AG's office, or the Sec. of State. Not a one of them took a picture or a video with their phones. They just stood their passively while this happened. Except, as any thinking person knows, it didn't happen.

So, please - answer the question. Why didn't John Smith raise a ruckus?

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steve forte

7:29 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Because John Smith never intended to vote. He didnt raise a ruckus because he never knew someone else voted in his name.

Jeannine Stergios-Richardson

8:13 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013

suanthe - You haven't thought this through. Perhaps John Smith was out of town and not planning to vote so how would he know someone voted using his name? Didn't you read the comment posted above from the person who said her son was in the military and came home on leave and went to vote and someone had already used his name to vote.

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susanthe

8:22 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013

And did her son report it to the authorities? Did he call the moderator, the police, the AG's office, and the Sec. of State? Or is someone making up internet fables?

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Johnathan Vail

10:52 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013

It may too late for two serious questions but:

1. People keep repeating that there is no false identity voter fraud. If you don't check ID how is this claim valid? (as an aside the Republicans and Democrats can fight over this issue but ignore the source of most vote fraud: early voting)

2. Why is checking ID really so bad? It does give the impression that the process is more fair and at least in NH it seems like they have made it easy enough that everyone can easily vote.

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Mike Healey

8:13 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

1.) We know there in no voter fraud because it is investigated year after year with the same results.
2.) Checking I.D.s isn't bad as long as you still allow those who don't have I.D.s to vote. New Hampshire has allowed for this with an extremely reasonable system. I think the Lefts reaction is knee-jerk. Maybe even fearful that the reasonable I.D. law is merely a stepping stone to more draconian rules. Remember that the GOP tried to deny college students a vote in the last election.

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susanthe

8:25 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Why is it neccessary, Jonathan? Think back and try to remember how suddenly voter fraud was a big issue all over the country. Not just in NH, but in about 30 states. Can it really be that all of a sudden everyone magically became aware of the potential for voter fraud?

OR, can it be that the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC - a group of corporations and mostly conservative legislators) wrote up model legislation (as indeed, they've done over 800 times) for these conservative legislators to bring back home to their states to pass. That's where the sudden interest in Voter ID came from - corporate overlords like the Koch brothers, who have a great interest in disenfranchising certain groups of voters (poor, elderly, minority, nonconservatives) in order to keep moving their agenda forward - a kind of neofeudal federalism.

Voter ID was not a NH bill. It was brought home to NH by members of ALEC as part of an outside agenda that has nothing to do with our state. The special interest groups did a fine job of barking hysteria in the NH media and on Foxaganda, the preferred "information" source of barking hysterics.

NH had a system that worked just fine. I'm opposed to unnecessary legislation, especially the sort that result in unfunded mandates. The voter ID bill was passed without a fiscal impact statement, and we still don't know what the costs will be to the cities and towns.

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Johnathan Vail

9:29 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Susanthe: Why does it matter who is behind it what their goal is? It seems perfectly reasonable to check IDs when voting. If that "disenfranchises" a lot of people then I am still OK with it. Are there really that many undocumented people who want to vote but can't take the time to get a free ID card?

I don't know about the legal aspects to this particular law but at least now we know the cost and it doesn't seem like much. And once people get used to having an ID even that cost will go down.

The comparison to gun control is apt. It becomes such a political issue that meaningful discussion on reasonable steps get lost in the power struggle.

steve forte

8:38 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

I think the Lefts reaction is knee-jerk. Maybe even fearful that the reasonable I.D. law is merely a stepping stone to more draconian rules.

Well Mike if you understand that then maybe you can look at gun control that way. Because thats the way most gun friendly folks see it.

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steve forte

8:40 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

susanthe

8:25 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013
"I'm opposed to unnecessary legislation"

Except in the case of guns or anything else you dont partake in.

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susanthe

9:04 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Do tell me, Mr. Forte - what kinds of gun legislation have I proposed?

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steve forte

9:06 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Did you support a gun ban in the state house? yes you did Ms, Bruce

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Patriot

9:15 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Do you support repealing voter ID which is current law?

susanthe

9:13 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

You didn't answer the question, Mr. Foreskin. What kinds of gun legislation have I proposed?

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Patriot

9:50 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Good one susanthe, elevating the dialog are you?

steve forte

9:18 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Proposed , nothing Susan , nothing, Supported a ban.

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susanthe

9:26 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Very good. You do have some reading comprehension skills, and you can answer questions honestly, when pressed to do so.

I do indeed support the State House gun ban - the same one enacted by the GOP controlled House 16 years ago. Guns have no business in a public building, especially one that children are frequently in and out of on field trips. I found the discussion that took place in the rules committee about the proper angle to shoot from the chamber floor into the gallery and NOT hit a fourth grader, both shameful and horrifying. I don't think NH should be known as the state where the death of a fourth grader is acceptable collateral damage.

Any legislator too afraid to enter the People's House without a sidearm should resign immediately.

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steve forte

9:28 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

There are many more 4th graders in shopping malls and grocery stores and not one ever has ever been hit by a stray bullet. Yet you claim you do not support useless unneeded legislation. Now we both understand tyhat that comment is not true.

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susanthe

9:33 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Ah, but we aren't talking about malls and grocery stores, are we, Mr. Forte? We're talking about the State House. When you start dragging irrelevancies in to score third grade playground points, you automatically lose.

The topic, by the way, is Voter ID. I feel sure you have all manner of well thought out and researched comments to make about that.

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Patriot

9:47 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

What did the AG's office tell you about voter fraud?

steve forte

9:39 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Sure I do . Voter fraud may not be rampant , but it is obvious how easy it is .
Scenario . Im at a friends and the election comes up. He mentions that he is not even going to vote because he is working out of town and dosnt like either loser running anyways.
On election day after placing my vote in my town I go to his town . I say I am him , give them his address and vote.

Does it happen alot ? Of course not . But it does happen and unless he changes his mind and goes to vote , no ones the wiser. Unless investigations include asking every registered voter if they actualy did vote ( A waste of money , I would like to thinmk we can at least agree to that) then no one knows the answer.

Why do you assume everyone whos life is such a mess that they cant do something as simple as identify themselves will vote democrat?

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susanthe

9:50 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Can you prove this kind of voter fraud you describe happens in NH EVER, never mind "a lot?"

Can you explain why all of a sudden, voter fraud became a national issue, when there is no evidence that it is widespread?

The biggest incidence of voter fraud took place in Florida, in 2000. Care to comment?

Where did I say that people whose lives are a mess will vote "democrat?" Where did I say anything even close to that?

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steve forte

9:56 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Can I prove it happens in NH? No , untill one is caught no one can prove it. Not sure why it became a national issue aside from the fact that it is common sense. Hell Im not even sure why I need to show an ID to get a fire permit.
Sure Ill comment on FLA . it was distgusting. That election was stolen , plain and simple. And is one more reason why voter ID is one of the many things we need to do to make sure our elections are not rigged.

You seem to be so concerned about the " disenfranchised" the old , the poor. These folks for the most part are not voting republican.

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susanthe

10:00 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

So, we need a law to prevent what you can't prove is occurring.

You aren't very curious, are you?

Is your right to a fire permit guaranteed in the Constitution?

The election in Florida was rigged - but making people show ID would have had absolutely zero impact on that election.

Why do you lack concern for the old and the poor? What does party affiliation have to do with caring about people?

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steve forte

10:02 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Banning handguns is alaw to prevent what is not occuring. Its the same thing. So we are either both wrong, or both right , take your pick.

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susanthe

10:03 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

In other words, you have no response to my post, so you're back to playing third grade playground gotcha nonsense. Have a nice day.

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Bill Teschek

10:41 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

I'm tired of reading about Republicans defending voter ID laws and Democrats lambasting them. Everything is about political party talking points these days. Too few people think for themselves any more. Please only comment on my post if you are a Democrat FOR voter ID laws or a Republican AGAINST them. It would be interesting to hear your rationales. No cheating now people!

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Mike Healey

11:02 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

I consider myself to be a centrist, but logic forces me to vote for Democrats usually.

New Hampshire's Voter I.D. law is extremely functional, does not disenfranchise, and could be used to provide even more service to the community.

Every registered voter is allowed to vote in New Hampshire even without an I.D. Without an I.D., you simply sign an affidavit and soon will get your photo taken and you receive a real(not provisional) ballot which counts that day.

I would love to expand the verification process to include mailing those without I.D.'s a valid voter I.D. after they have confirmed their address. We have their photo, we confirmed their address, isn't providing them with a government issued Voter I.D. the next logical step?

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Patriot

1:07 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Bill, independent and vote mostly republican. Do not care either way as I always drive with a license which I do to vote. I found no restriction in voting.
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Jeannine Stergios-Richardson

2:49 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

susanthe - You're accusing conservatives of barking hysterics. If you look in the dictionary next to hysterics I'm certain your picture is there. How much time have you wasted on here arguing with just about everyone?

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susanthe

3:39 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Jeannine - thanks for illustrating my point.

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