POLL: Should Towns be Allowed to Ban Sex Offenders?
State Rep. Timothy Robertson has proposed legislation that would make it illegal for cities and towns to keep sex offenders out.
State Rep. Timothy Robertson (D-Keene) has proposed a bill to make it illegal for cities and towns to ban sex offenders from moving to their communities, according to the Union Leader.
A public hearing on House Bill 442 was held Thursday in Concord. Civil liberties groups and state police support the bill, saying that prohibiting sex offenders from moving into towns does nothing to protect children and just forces sex offenders underground.
Republican State Committee Chairman Jennifer Horn opposes Robertson's bill, saying keeping communities from banning sex offenders "puts the most vulnerable among us – our children – at unnecessary and unacceptable risk." She called the legislation "foolish," and urged Gov. Maggie Hassan to veto it should it pass the House and Senate.
Senior Assistant House Republican Leader Sherman Packard (R-Londonderry) took issue with the fact that the bill interferes with the abilities of local communities to govern themselves.
"I do not understand why the Democrat sponsor of this bill wants to put our citizens, especially our children, in possible danger from these violent criminals," he said. "If the argument is that some criminals are currently inconvenienced, I say let them be inconvenienced and protect our children.”
Both Dover and Franklin have tried to implement sex offender bans, but they were thrown out by the courts after the American Civil Liberties Union sued.
What do you think? Should towns be allowed to ban sex offenders? Or is that a violation of their civil rights? Vote in our poll below, and leave a comment with your thoughts.
christina Miller
7:32 am on Saturday, February 9, 2013
If a town wants to ban sex offenders they should be able to . We should know were they are what they drive to make sure our kids are safe
Chrystine Collins-Blums
9:26 am on Saturday, February 9, 2013
You will know where they are and what they are up to through registration. Banning individuals from residing in your community sounds like a good idea but in reality, most children are at the greatest risk family members and friends. Be hyper vigilant about watching tour child and whom they associate with at all times. Uncle "Joe" is a bigger threat than the creep down the street.
ltm
5:43 am on Sunday, February 10, 2013
statistics evidence that children are no more safe with the sex offender registry than without. Your fears are unfounded just like any legislation targeting groups which are actually illegal and not only unconditional but human rights violations and against federal law. Why no one has challenged the federal laws governing discrimination are not pursued is beyond me.
Michael Mickelson
8:30 am on Saturday, February 9, 2013
If the gentleman from Keene wants it should be a town by tow it should be a town by town decision
David Pittelli
8:32 am on Saturday, February 9, 2013
I can see banning sex offenders from certain areas, like near schools. But if a city or town can ban them, there will be a rush to ban them everywhere lest the last city to allow them get all of them. You can't tell a person who is out of prison that there is nowhere for him to live. If they're that dangerous -- and many are -- then they should be sentenced to life in prison.
Chrystine Collins-Blums
9:27 am on Saturday, February 9, 2013
I agree. I think the serious offenders should be chemically castrated but a ban on where they can reside won't help.
Patriot
12:56 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
Why use expensive chemicals they could cause cancer. I will sharpen my Buck Knife and do it for free.
ltm
5:47 am on Sunday, February 10, 2013
So you ban drug pushers from schools? Do you ban child abusers from schools? Do you ban domestic violence criminals from schools? Do you ban alcohol abusers from schools. Is it legal to ban the movements of anyone who has served time and met all their requirements for release from schools?
cheri Howard
12:18 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013
This is the reason there was the death penalty for certain crimes relating to this, and it was voted out. If people are wanting to ban these people then they should have voted yes on the death penalty for the vicious or multiple violent sexual crimes. I would want a ban in my city and I did vote yes on the death penalty for violent and repeat sexual crimes. If they have no place to go, maybe they will leave the country and maybe that would send a very clear message.
Misty
8:38 am on Saturday, February 9, 2013
Sex Offenders have done their time just as anyone else who had committed a crime. They should have a right to live somewhere and putting a band on them not being able to live in this town or that town is not right. I do believe they should have rules such as not being able to live a certain distance from schools, play grounds and so forth. They should have to register as well so that officials know where they are. That being said, one should not assume anything with anyone as I know a young man who has to list as a sex offender and he has this mark because he had sex with his girl friend and her parents had the young man arrested thus marking him for life. It was not rape as the young lady wanted it (being consent-rial) and they were going steady. This was her parents way of messing with the young man of whom they did not want going out with their daughter. This type of action should be against the law as well... parents pressing charges against a young man just to brake them up. So when you say "sex offender" you really have to know the whole story before jumping to conclusions. Some are not true sex offenders and others are. And yet all must suffer the same decisions under the judging eyes of society. Let us not judge until we know the whole truth. Let us not walk all over every ones rights because "we the people" believe we know it all.
Chrystine Collins-Blums
9:33 am on Saturday, February 9, 2013
If the girl was under 16, the age of consent and the man was 18, it was illegal. Sorry an 18 year old should not be having sex with a 15 yr . She may have wanted the relationship but legally she wasn't old enough to consent. That said, you are right, it isn't exactly the same thing, statutory rape and pedophilia.
Misty
12:56 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
@Chrystine... however, when the parents knew of this activity and allowed it with there blessings for a year or more... then one day deciding to have the man arrested... that should be against the law. It would be different if the parents had not known and allowed this in their own home ... give me a brake. I agree the mans father should have been more responsible and taught the son of this. Jail bait is jail bait and a hoe is a hoe... A young man should not have to pay such a price for the rest of his life because someone wants to make him pay a price... for what ever reason.
Sarah Leboeuf
1:30 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
Chrystine Collins-Blums, Just becuase there is a law that makes something illegal, such as a 18 year old sleeping witha 16 year old, it doesnt mean that law is morally correct, or righteous, I think that many people if not most have either been that 15 year old sleeping with an older person around the ages of 18-21, or been that older man around that age sleeping with a younger girl around 15-17. Theres nothing wrong with that as long as its consensual. I know I was that girl. Many 15 year old girls have a 18 year old boyfriend who loves them and wouldnt dream of hurting them. Who are you, or anyone for that matter to say what age a consenting treenage has to be to sleep with someone? Its a very grey area because I think a 15 year old sleeping with a 20 year old is different than a 15 year old sleeping with a 30 year old.
Patriot
2:06 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
Misty, I agree about persecution of young adults. But as far as paying for crime? I feel a little different about that. Victims suffer for the rest of their lives and we the tax payer never get back the cost.
Sarah Leboeuf
7:59 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
The victims serve a life sentence emotionally, mentally and physically from the trauma that was inflicted upon them. it changes a person. children loose their innocence and the mental wounds last a lifetime. Why should a sex offender get off with a sentence of a couple years and then get a second chance becasue they "served their time"? Why should they get a fresh start and get to move on with their lives? Im talking about real pedophiles, who hurt children. Not some 20 year old who slept with a 15 year old.
Tod
12:52 am on Sunday, February 10, 2013
Thanx Misty. Also consider that the young man you mentioned is branded a sex offender, but his consenting girlfriend is the victim. How screwed up is that? This is just one of many examples of how the sex offender registry has become a three ring circus that no longer benefits anyone, but destroys thousands of lives. The registry should only include information about violent predators for whom it is believed they will commit their crime again. I mean, who WOULDN'T want that list! Then the registry could be a powerful tool, and any laws banning these people from your city might make more sense. However as it stands today, any law that is applied to ALL sex offenders is by that very definition unfair, unconstitutional and inhumane.
Daryl
8:42 am on Saturday, February 9, 2013
Currently, being caught urinating behind a building because a person couldn't make it to the bathroom labels one a sex offender. A young person who's girlfriend is underage can be labeled as a sex offender.
There are definitely scary people out there, but unless there is a serious overhaul of definitions, this is a knee-jerk, constituent-feeding proposal.
Daryl
8:46 am on Saturday, February 9, 2013
Hmm. Need to amend. A ban is ridiculous without overhauling definitions. But if they WERE to redefine the terminology, I do think there is a certain classification that needs to be very carefully monitored.
With all due respect, Misty... there are a couple of categories that cannot be rehabilitated. They are a permanent risk to the community.
Misty
9:20 am on Saturday, February 9, 2013
Daryl... I do agree with you. I do know at least one man that should go to jail for life as he will never change. Some of them are very scary for sure. I think there needs to be some kind of grade system so people know the ones that are dangerous and those who are not really.... if you get what I am saying.
Tod
12:57 am on Sunday, February 10, 2013
Daryl, many many studies have shown that only about 5-15% of sex offenders (depending on the study) will ever reoffend. So stop perpetuating a tired stereotype. Also, these same studies show that if all sex offenders are given access to proper treatment, as many as 90% of them would be less likely to reoffend.
Keep your focus on narrowing the registry to only those who have demonstrated a propensity for being sexual violent predators. Give everyone else the chance to move on with their lives.
Bandofotters
9:00 am on Saturday, February 9, 2013
A couple or three questions:
What if there were a state law or federal law? How would that work?
Is a person, now 25, who had sex with his 16 year old girl friend when he was 17 a sex offender under these bans?
Why is it that some people don't mind having these sex offenders live in other communities?
Misty
9:22 am on Saturday, February 9, 2013
If the young man was charged and found guilty... yes he will carry the label of sex offender for the rest of his life and that does not seem fair at all.
Sarah Leboeuf
1:21 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
I agree, i know someone who was 19 when he slept with 2 15 year old girls and now he is limited on who will hire him, where he can live etc. Its ridiculous, he has to report everytime he moves to both towns. No one will hire him. Some of these laws and restrictions forces sex offenders to resort to selling drugs or other illegal activities because they are so restricted from everything. I agree that REAL sexoffenders who target and hurt children shhould be punished and ostracized but on the other hand the purpose of these restrictions and bans should be to protect children.
Stephen B. Bernier
9:13 am on Saturday, February 9, 2013
Everybody wants to "ban" something, I say we "ban" the common cold! The fact is, "banning" sex offenders from your town doesn't make them magically disappear. Just like guns, they will ALWAYS be there, and "banning" them only lulls people into a false sense of security. They are everywhere, and always will be!
Ricardo Bauer
9:16 am on Saturday, February 9, 2013
So when do we start banning anyone with a strange sounding name or over the age of 73 or driving a black car or how about any cross dressers and let's ban anyone with any religious affiliations.
Sarah Leboeuf
7:05 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
Are you serious? You are really comparing banning sex offenders to black cars and old people? Theres a difference between banning a threat to society and banning something based on personal preferece. Now, religous people, thats a whole others ball game as far as being dangerous, just a different type of dangerous.
Tod
1:10 am on Sunday, February 10, 2013
Thanx, Ricardo. You know, I completely understand why people want sex offender laws and a public registry. They don't trust the legal system to protect them, so they want a tool that will tell them where these people are, so they can protect themselves and their families. Now, I don't exactly fear sex offenders. I'm not really their type. But I'd like to know where all of the robbers and burglars are. i'd also like to know where all of the car jackers and crazy people are. In fact, you know what would really be great? If we could have a sign in everybody's yard, listing the crimes and sins of everyone in that home....dang!...I could plan my route to work around that.
But the thing is...it just doesn't work that way. We are a nation of laws. We pride ourselves on applying the law equally and fairly. Our chests swell with pride and our eyes moisten with tears when we talk about how much more civilized and fair we are than those other dirty, heathenish nations on the other side of the world. We have a system that provides anyone accused of a crime the opportunity to be represented in a court of law, and to have the voice of the accused weighed equally with the voice of the accuser. Then when any of us is found to be guilty by a jury of our peers, and after we have served our punishment, we have the right to return to being private citizens. These laws, BTW, are not designed to apply to the people we like, but to those that we don't.
And that's the way is should be.
Karen
9:16 am on Saturday, February 9, 2013
The comments are excellent. Statistically, a child offender isn't rehabilitated totally that is why we as parents want them properly identified.
Chrystine Collins-Blums
9:35 am on Saturday, February 9, 2013
Proper identification and banning people from residing from a town are two entirely different things.
Reality Geezer
9:47 am on Saturday, February 9, 2013
They have to live somewhere--Looking at maps shows that they tend to gather in favorable areas to other pedophiles.. It is true, however, that most attack their own families or have access to children..................
mike
4:20 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
that's not entirely true!!, some hunt there victim's and stock them until the right moment they kidnap them.in other country's, these sex offenders would be put to death. in this country we give them rehab,anti-depressants witch have no effect and some even collect social security for being a pedophile.
Proud Conservative
8:40 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
Lock 'em up for life on the first offense. Then no one has to worry about when and where they'll re-offend. They don't deserve any freedom.
Tod
1:45 am on Sunday, February 10, 2013
Reality Geezer (I like that name!), when you look at a map and see sex offenders clustered together in certain areas, don't leave out the fact that it's usually not by choice. They are not necessarily seeking each other out. It's just that most of them have been disenfranchised to the point that are often relegated to distressed and rundown neighborhoods where people have their own problems to worry about to be looking online for sex offenders. Also in some cities, severe residency restrictions leave only a few places where sex offenders can live and still comply with the law and/or the restrictions of their parole.
Keith F Thompson
11:44 am on Saturday, February 9, 2013
Allowing towns to ban sex offenders simply makes it someone else's problem. That's a hallmark of our society today. If all towns ban sex offenders, would we ship them to another state? If only some towns ban them, then you will have other towns over run with offenders.
Awareness, treatment and enforcement are the right tools for this, even though there isn't a 100% guarantee.
Tod
1:48 am on Sunday, February 10, 2013
Good point, Keith. I would add one more solution. If the list were pared down to only include actual threats to the community, there wouldn't be as many sex offenders in the neighborhood, and it would also be easier to justify relegating those remaining on the list to the smelliest armpit of a town where even the grass refuses to grow.
Roland Martinez
1:31 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
Which town will be full of hot high school teachers?
Mike Lorrey
2:30 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
If a person is still a danger to society, they should still be in prison or a mental hospital. Lemme get this straight: the Democrats want to bar cities and towns from banning sex offenders, but they want to allow cities and towns to ban gun owning? Thats some seriously screwed up priorities, and should tell every gun owner in the state what Democrats actually think of them.
Sarah Leboeuf
7:29 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
Mike, I am as liberal as they come and always vote democrat. However, I am not in favor of gun control (well within reason, I certainly don't think a violent criminal should be allowed to own a firearm, but then again, if they want a gun bad enough, they will obtain one whether its illegal or not, but thats a whole other discussion) and I am in favor of very strong pentalties for sex offenders. I do not think this democrat is supporting this legislation because he sympathizes with sex offenders and wants them to have freedom and access. I beleive he doesnt want towns to be able to ban sex offenders because it will not solve any problems. I think it will create more of a safety hazzard and more crime because more sexoffenders will end up reporting that they live in one place when really they live in another. Its nice to know where a registered sex offender lives, now imagine you have one living next door to you but he is banned from living in town so he really is registered someplace else.
Tod
1:55 am on Sunday, February 10, 2013
Mike, Mike, Mike. Come on, man! Don't take it there. The truth is that ALL politicians see any bill with the phrase 'sex offender' in it as low hanging fruit. There are strict, over-reaching sex offender laws that have been authored by both parties. And there are less stringent, even forgiving, laws that have been authored by both parties.
I'm a liberal. (Who would have thunk it considering the criticism I get for saying some of these things.) However, I am in favor (if this were a simple, utopian kind of world) of a two-step proposal. One - replace the garbage that we currently call the sex offender registry with a violent offender registry. Fill THAT registry with anyone convicted of a violent crime and for whom it is very likely they will reoffend. THEN, step two, have all of these draconian laws apply only to them. Who could possibly argue with that?
Mike Lorrey
2:20 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013
Tod & Sarah: Thank you for intelligent responses. My point being, your elected Democrat politicians in the legislature are, at the same time trying to ban towns from protecting their citizens, are trying to roll back some of the gun laws that were put into place by past legislative sessions which are entirely reasonable. It is reasonable that you should be able to protect yourself, your wife, and your children/grandchildren from sexual predators with deadly force if they invade your home or property, or try to grab them off the streets, as we hear all to many stories in the news of these perverts attempting.
I agree about the two tiered approach. Teenagers busted under statutory rape laws for doing the day after their 18th birthday which was perfectly legal for them to do the day before it shouldn't be in the same category as violent rapists, and parents caught up in spurious charges fabricated in messy divorces shouldn't be in the same group as serial killers. However, violent offenders (what one idiot republican called "legitimate rape"-ists) simply should NOT be free if they are still a danger to society. Castration should be mandated as a condition of release, given thats about the only known surefire cure for their depravity, if not life sentences or capital punishment. Cities and towns shouldn't have to worry about whether or not there are violent sexual predators with past records in their midst.
Tyler Crosson
2:47 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
Wow some of these comments are horrifying... Ever heard of the golden rule? Crimes should be punished appropriately but forced castration, really? Some of you may want to go check in to a mental hospital because you've got some serious signs of sociopathy.
Patriot
4:23 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
The prologue or introduction to the list of laws is very enlightening. Here, Hammurabi states that he wants "to make justice visible in the land, to destroy the wicked person and the evil-doer, that the strong might not injure the weak." The laws themselves support this compassionate claim, and protect widows, orphans and others from being harmed or exploited.
"The phrase "an eye for an eye" represents what many people view as a harsh sense of justice based on revenge. But, the entire code is much more complex than that one phrase. The code distinguishes among punishments for wealthy or noble persons, lower-class persons or commoners, and slaves."
http://www.ushistory.org/civ/4c.asp
Patriot
4:26 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
Tyler, I read the "Golden Rule" and should I ever rape the Golden Rule would not apply!
Patriot
4:36 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
Tyler you may want to take a few courses that are only offered in the school of Hard Knocks!
You can never repay the loss but you can attempt to insure it is not stolen from another.
Sarah Leboeuf
7:01 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
I dont think that sex offenders think of the golden rulew when they are molesting little children. Theres nothing cruel or unreasonable about castrating a sick monster who molests children. They also have chemical castration, I want to say they use birth control, Depo Provera shot I believe for some sex offenders. They cant even get an erection. I think protecting children is more important than making sure a sex offender is treated humanly and can have a sex life.
Chrystine Collins-Blums
7:46 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
Most actual sex offenders, not statutory rapists or those public urinators, are NEVRR rehabilitated. They have been committing the act since they were prepubescent and were probably victims of pedophilia themselves. Therapy and medication doesn't work. There are no "twelve step"programs that keep these people from harming others again. I do believe in loving my neighbor as myself and demonstrate this daily. However, I think the only way to protect future victims is to chemically suppress the urge the attack.
Patriot
8:02 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
Chrystine don't apologize, there are so many victims that will never get justice. The worst crime is some of the victims become violators.
Proud Conservative
8:38 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
Seriously! You think forced castration is too harsh for sex offenders? How do you feel about the death penalty in Singapore for possession, use or sale of drugs? That must cause you to go into shock. (By the way, Singapore is the safest place on Earth!) Castration for sex offenders is too lenient. These animals cannot be rehabilitated., That's been demonstrated over and over again. They should never be free to roam in society after the first offense. No second chance. First time life in prison or the death penalty - your choice, Tyler.
Tyler Crosson
8:46 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
Judge not lest ye be judged...
He without sin cast the first stone...
C'mon people. It's horrifying the things you're advocating for. You do realize "sex offender" is a very ambiguous term right? Haven't you ever heard of someone being wrongly accused / prosecuted for being a "sex offender" for some ridiculous reason, like peeing in public...? You're honestly telling me you think someone should be CASTRATED or put to DEATH because they peed in public? WOW... Y'all really need to think about things before you go professing support for some ridiculous legislation / government death sentencing or mutilation...
Really.
Tod
12:34 am on Sunday, February 10, 2013
Chrystine Collins-Blums, your comments tend to match up more with common fearful beliefs than with the facts. The fact is that state and federal studies (including those done by the US Department of Justice and Human Rights Watch) all put the recidivism rate of sex offenders as low as 5%. Only murderers reoffend less. Even if you single out only your 'real sex offenders', the rate of recidivism is still much lower than the average for all types of crime. Also, it is an old and tired myth that child sex offenders can not be rehabilitated. A study published in Scientific American shows that as many as 90% of predatory sex offenders show significant improvement and reduced likelihood to reoffend when offered proper treatment.
I know it's tempting to paint common, entrenched beliefs as being fact. However, to do so is reckless and perpetuates tired stereotypes.
mike
4:11 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
towns&city's do have the right to ban sex offenders in some areas. the city of concord is flooded with them and it makes me sick!!!!, there are over 100 in the area where i live and there's a lot of family's with kids, and these people don't either care that theres sex offenders around there children or they just don't know.theres four sex offenders in my building and they creep me out.i wish that my landlord would not rent to these freaks!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jill Smith
8:57 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
Do you realize there are over 200 laws that will place you on the registry? There are some that aren't even sexual in nature. There are many that are not against children. 35% of sex offenses against minors are committed by those whom are minors themselves.
Tyler Crosson
9:00 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
Thanks Jill... my sentiment exactly. I knew there had to be some other sane people out there who saw this topic the way I do.
I think people here are assuming "sex offender" means only pedophiles and child molesters... that's a grave mistake. God forbid one of these people calling for forced castration or the death penalty is drinking at a bar one day and goes outside to take a piss and gets arrested and made a "sex offender" and is subject to the law they so passionately support.......
Tod
12:21 am on Sunday, February 10, 2013
There are no actual 'sex offenders'. This is a term invented by legislators in the process of establishing a system to quail the fears of an hysterical public. There are sexual predators. There are violent people, mentally disturbed people, kids who didn't know any better. There are drunks who regret who they had sex with the night before and call it rape. However, 'sex offender' is nothing more than a label, a rubber stamp wielded recklessly by legislators who will find ways to apply this label to whomever they please. Once labeled, it no longer matters what someone did or didn't do, or if anyone one was hurt in the process, or if they were kids when they did it or any of that. They are now 'sex offenders' because the government said so.
So..if the city of Concord is indeed 'flooded' with these people, you have your government just as much to blame for it.
Stephen B. Bernier
6:49 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
Hey Mike, for every registered sex offender out there, there are probably two we don't know about. They are EVERYWHERE, they always will be.
Jill Smith
8:51 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
Stephen - Actually the numbers are much higher than that. For every registrant there are 20 others that are not on the registry. 90% of sex offenses against children are by a family member or close trusted acquaintance of the family, and 96% of those offenders are not a registered offender. We need to spend the money on education and victim services, not monitoring ex-offenders because that give parents and children a false sense of security!
Mike Lorrey
5:51 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013
Thats only cause we dont shoot nearly enough of them.
Jill Smith
8:47 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
This actually breaks many of the articles under the Declaration of Human Rights. But the registry itself already does that, too.
David K
8:54 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
Can we ban priests from the town?
Sarah Leboeuf
9:28 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
Tyler, I get what you are saying. In my opinion, and most of society I would assume, a REAL sex offender is a pedophoile who targets little children. I think its unfair to lump people who urinate in public or a 20 yr old having sex with a 15 year old in the same category as a grown adult sexully assaulting a 5 year old. People caught for public urination are NOT pedophiles and shouldnt be forced to register as an offender, same as most statutory rape. I think I can safetly say that all the people on this message board feel the same way. The people who want the death pentalty and castration and torture for sex offenders are refering to sick pedophiles who hurt children, NOT people convicted of urinating in public or the 20 yr old sleeping with a 15 year old. I think you need to re-read some comments. With that being said, I am all for castration, death pentalty and life sentences for people who molest children, as is everyone else on this site.
Tyler Crosson
9:33 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
Thanks Sarah - I'd hope so! I hadn't seen the comments agreeing with me on the ambiguous phraseology of "sex offender" until I went back through the comments. At first all I saw was people advocating for forced castration and death / life penalties...
I'm glad to know people aren't that insane. I was beginning to get a little worried... ;-)
Sarah Leboeuf
11:43 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
You are very welcome Tyler. :) Its a shame that all sex offenders are lumped in the same category and all labled sex offender as far as the law goes. ou can go on the NH sex offender registry and see each persons crimes, convictions etc. You can see if they are an actual pedophile, child porn, statutory rape, etc. Its good that they include the charges but there is still a stigma attached to being on the site even if you arent a real pedophile.
Sex Offender Issues
9:59 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
No, it's discrimination. If we do that, then who will be discriminated against next?
http://sexoffenderissues.blogspot.com
https://www.facebook.com/OfficialSOIssues
Sarah Leboeuf
12:25 am on Sunday, February 10, 2013
Are you sympathizing with sex offenders?
Tod
12:42 am on Sunday, February 10, 2013
Sarah Leboeuf, I sympathize with anyone whose life has to be destroyed because they had sex with their girlfriend when they were a teenager. I sympathize with the children on the sex offender registry, as young as ten years old, who don't even really know what sex is, and I sympathize with their parents who have to explain to them that before they are even out of the starting gate, they have already been branded as a pariah because they played a game of 'slap butt' in school. I sympathize with the spouses and children of sex offenders who did nothing wrong, but have to live a life of shame and depression because their father is on a public shame list. I sympathize with people who are fully aware of the awful thing they did, and are completely capable of living law abiding, productive lives, but can't because there is not path to redemption for them. I sympathize with ordinary citizens who are made to fear their neighbors and their community because an over zealous government has made them believe in a mythical monster that is poised outside their door ready to eat their women and children.
These are the people that I sympathize with.
Tod
1:28 am on Sunday, February 10, 2013
Sarah Leboeuf, I never said I want to fight for the rights of those who have 'violated a child in the worst way possible'. I think if you reread my posts (all of which you have sited poorly and out of context) you will see a common theme. I want us to cut through the bulls!t and get to the facts. only then will we have an effective system that protects us from those who habitually victimize others.
The original intent of the sex offender registry was to provide a tool to identify sexually violent predators so that we could use that information to protect ourselves and our families. For the sake of clearing up your attempted smear tactics, let me state that I'm in favor of this system! That is why I am upset that it has become such a miserable mess. The list in it's current form protects very few, and in the process destroys many innocent lives. So now you have NO such tool. Does that make you happy?
I use facts in these other posts because I am trying, albeit futilely, to turn the trend away from well-worn opinions that spout mostly hysterical fear and hatred toward the facts. Why would the US Department of Justice, and dozens of other state and human rights organizations want to lie in favor of sex offenders? I'd think if they were going to lie they'd do just the opposite - paint an even bigger monster to stoke the fear even more.
I'm about to run out of characters, so I'll just say that you are a shining example of why sex offender law reform is necessary.
Local Joe
10:50 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
Register them, yes. Ban, no.
Stephen B. Bernier
11:36 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
Jill, I would not be surprised at all if your numbers are correct. My only point, like yours, is that "banning" registered sex offenders from living in a particular town, does not make them go away and only lulls some people into a false sense of security.
Tod
11:51 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
Banning people from a town based on their being required to register as sex offenders assumes too much and understands too little about the subject. Not everyone on the registry is the stereotypical depraved, sick-minded pervert. Many of them are guilty only of having sex with their girlfriends when they were kids. Many sex offenders are children as young as ten years old. There are sex offenders who never hurt anyone, or even touched anyone. Also consider that many sex offenders have spouses and children who did nothing wrong and that are not on the registry. Should THEY also have to be drummed out of town?
As counter intuitive as it may seem, you stand a better chance of NOT being the victim of a crime when you provide a path to redemption for people who have committed crimes, by allowing them the opportunity to assimilate back into society and prove they are capable of being rehabilitated and becoming law-abiding contributors to the community. Ostracizing them for life, and telling them that they will NEVER be accepted no matter what they do, only makes them more of a threat. So which do you want more?
Tyler Crosson
11:55 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
Good points Tod, I agree. I think it's highly inappropriate to 'ban' them from towns and as you say, ostracize for life... I also think it's ludicrous to talk about forced castration and death / life penalties... For reasons like you state, "sex offender" is too ambiguous and widely interpreted.
I believe humans have the capacity to repent and seek forgiveness.
Sarah Leboeuf
12:17 am on Monday, February 11, 2013
Tod, I tried replying but I dont see that it posted so Im sorry If I repeat myself. To answer your question, I feel very strongly about this issue because I am a mother, and I can not imagine someone violating my children in such a horrific manner. I also have friends and family who were victims. With that being said, I have stated in several of my comments that there is a clear difference between a true pedophile who targets children and a 20yr old and 15 yr old having sex or someone peeing in public. I feel awful that those people are lumped with pedophiles, and they have my sympathy. I dont understand why you are trying to explain this to me or convince me when I have already made that very clear. TRUE sex offenders, meaning pedophiles, are the ones who I am talking about deserving castration and the deathpentalty. The sites you mentioned walk a fine line of justifying and sympathizing with pedophiles. I read some articles and opions of some of the posters/members of those sites. I also dont recall mis-quoting any of what you wrote. You wrote that "it is an old and tired myth that child sex offenders can not be rehabilitated" I HIGHLY disagree. I have a friend who went to prision for being 19 and sleeping with 2 15 yr olds. ( again,please re0read my comments) he told me quite a few stories. Pedophiles ca NOT be rehabilitied. They are full of shit if they say they can. You cant 'rehabilitate' a persons sexula preference
Sarah Leboeuf
12:29 am on Monday, February 11, 2013
Sorry ran out of room and had to write another comment to continue. where I left off...You can change what a person is sexually attraced too. Its would be like trying to rehabilitate a gay person and make them straight, or make a heterosexual person gay. Deep down, they person will always be straight or gay even if they change their actions and behavior. I really think that pedohiles are the same. THye are sexually attracted to children, its who they are and ingrained in them. Maybe they never act upon it again but it doesnt take away their feelings. A person is not sexuallyattracted to children one day and then the next day/week/month, not attracted to them. The sex offender rehab classes in prision are a crock of shit. Those people go through the program and lie through their teeth. Pedophiles are pros at manipulating, lying and decieving. I dont have statistics to back up my opionion, but you inspired me to look into it. I think its a matter of opionion. so many pedophiles go undetected because the victims dont come forward and the pedophile is so good at manipulating that many if not most never get caught. The sites you posted links to sympathize with all sex offenders, there are numerous comments/posts/articles from family members and so called 'ex sex offenders' There are articles that talk about how its really not dangerous to live near a sex offender, being against registries, rights of offenders, like that they deserve a second chance and they served their time
Sarah Leboeuf
1:04 am on Monday, February 11, 2013
3rd comment keep running out of room.)You seem very well spoken and highly educated regarding the issues sex offenders deal with rights statistics etc, so thats why I assume you are one, because you defend them and mentioned that they can be rehabilitated among other things. We actually agree on quite a bit. if you would read the previous comments I made you would see that I sympathize with the same people you were talking about. As far as pedophiles go They have NO place in society and do not deserve a second chance. THey have no civil rights as far as I am concerened. I agree with you that other violent offenders (rapists, abusers, etcs should also be placed on a registey. ALso, to make it clear to you, here is a comment I WROTE ditrectly above your comment with the links to the sex offender sites you posted :"Its a shame that all sex offenders are lumped in the same category and all labled sex offender as far as the law goes", (AND ANOTHER PREVIOUS COMMENT I MADE) ." I think its unfair to lump people who urinate in public or a 20 yr old having sex with a 15 yr old in the same category as a grown adult sexully assaulting a 5 year old. People caught for public urination are NOT pedophiles and shouldnt be forced to register as an offender, same as most statutory rape"
Sarah Leboeuf
2:15 am on Sunday, February 10, 2013
Tod, I am curious... what drives your sympathy for these sick individuals? Is it because you are guilty of a sex crime or related/close with someon who is? Because if you were a victim or relative of a victim I doubt you would have this sympathic attitude towards sex offenders.
Tod
2:44 am on Sunday, February 10, 2013
Well, Sarah, again..I mean..I don't know how else to put it. I've answered this question already. So let me state simply that I HAVE NO (underscore NO) SYMPATHY FOR SICK INDIVIDUALS!! I've said that and said it. So I hope by typing it in all caps you'll get it this time.
I WANT judges and juries to have the authority to impose lengthier sentences for people who repeatedly commit violent crimes. I don't want sexual predators in my neighborhood. I don't have an OUNCE of sympathy for them! If I or someone in my family were a victim of their depraved compulsion, I would want them strung up, beaten and tortured, then killed. THEN bring them back to life so they can be beaten and tortured again!! OKAY! Does that clear it up for you?
I wish these guys were in prison or in a mental institution where they belong. But they are not. SO...what can we do if we can't rely on our own legal system to protect us from them. HEY. what if we had a very simple and informative way of tracking their whereabouts? And laws that managed their movement in society? Well guess what.. our one chance to have such a tool has been usurped by having it loaded down with scores of people who have NO DESIRE to hurt you or me or anybody. AND this tool is actually destroying lives of INNOCENT people. So let me turn the question back to you. WHY do YOU support such a horrible, inhumane thing? And why are YOU so interested in this topic. Because I'm willing to bet that we have that one thing in common.
Patriot
5:12 am on Sunday, February 10, 2013
Well Tod, I will assume the answer was yes!
""Sarah Leboeuf
2:15 am on Sunday, February 10, 2013
Tod, I am curious... what drives your sympathy for these sick individuals? Is it because you are guilty of a sex crime or related/close with someon who is?""
And it is not a crime to have been victimized although some in society create that illusion.
Clearly there are different categories and it is sad that everyone is lumped together. It is also sad that people suffer in silence. I know most that have been involved will never admit to their personal involvement, victim or what ever.
Sarah Leboeuf
12:02 am on Monday, February 11, 2013
Patriot, Did you mean the answer to my question, is Tod a registered sex offender, "yes"?
Tod
1:25 am on Monday, February 11, 2013
I comment on a long list of topics, on many news sites and other Internet web sites. I try to be knowledgeable about the things I'm saying. Just now I was commenting on an entertainment web site about the grammys. I stopped adding comments to this thread when the discussion became too personal.
Patriot
5:45 am on Monday, February 11, 2013
Sarah, not sure what Tod is but he is very close to something. Sad that he can't admit to being a victim or offender. Depending on the definition used a majority of people are victims to one form or another of abuse. I call it suffering in silence.
Victims and criminals have to put their lives into a legal system that is so broke and corrupted by personal agendas that hope is lost.
ltm
6:03 am on Sunday, February 10, 2013
KNOW YOUR HUMAN RIGHTS!
1. We are all born free and equal.
2. We are not subject to discrimination.
3. We all have the right to life.
4. We all have the right not to be slaves.
5. We all have the right not to be tortured.
6. We all have rights no matter where we live.
7. We are all equal before the law.
8. We all have the right not to be unfairly detained.
9. We all have the right not to be detained unfairly.
10. We all have the right to a fair trial.
11. We are always innocent until proven guilty.
12. We all have the right to privacy.
13. We all have the freedom to move.
14. We all have the right to seek out a safe and secure a safe place to live.
15.We all have the right to nationality (people sharing common descent, history, language, etc.; a nation).
ltm
6:05 am on Sunday, February 10, 2013
KNOW YOUR HUMAN RIGHTS (continued)
16. We all have the right to marry and to have a family.
17. We all have the right to own things.
18. We all have the right to freedom of thought.
19. We all have the right to freedom of expression.
20. We all have the right to public assembly.
21. We all have the right to democracy.
22. We all have the right to social security (is what supports you when you cannot support yourself).
23. We all have the right to work along with workers rights.
24. We all have the right to play.
25. We all have the right to food and shelter (this includes everyone).
26. We all have a right to education.
27.We all have the right to copyright.
28. We all have the right to a fair and free world.
29. We all have the right to responsibility.
30. No one can take away your human rights.
Proud Conservative
9:33 am on Sunday, February 10, 2013
Where are those rights enumerated? Some I know the source of. The others might sound nice, but they are not "rights".
Mike Lorrey
5:52 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013
You forgot the right to self defense against threats to oneself, one's family, property, and to the Constitution.
Sarah Leboeuf
1:10 am on Monday, February 11, 2013
Im sorry, but if you violate a child, and sexually assualt them, you deserve NONE of these rights. Pedophiles do not deserve forgiveness, a second chance, compassion, a warm bed, humane treatment. What they do deserve is the same sick treatment bestowed upon them, and a slow painful death. They chose to act upon their sick, twisted sexual fantasy, violated children in the worst possible way and forever changed their life. They should be forced to walk around with "pedophile tatooed across their forehead to everyone knows who they are. I know this sounds harsh, but maybe that will make them think twice.
ltm
6:10 am on Sunday, February 10, 2013
Can you legally create a local law that says Jews, Mexicans, Polocks, Germans, Japanese, Koreans, African Americans, drug offenders, domestic violence abusers, federal employees, blue collar workers cannot live in your city? Well, what makes anyone think 1. That this is legal. 2. That this isn't illegal? 3. That this is unconstitutional?. How stupid and ignorant can any US citizen think this is right, legal, fair, legal?
Hilltopper
7:21 am on Sunday, February 10, 2013
"Polocks"----instead of the proper and respectful term "Poles"?
"How stupid and ignorant can any US citizen think this is right"
steve forte
6:47 am on Sunday, February 10, 2013
Banning sex offenders from town, sounds like a great idea.
Untill my neighbors decide they want to ban harley riders because they are too loud.
Or people who own guns because they are afraid of them.
Or maybe Italians , because when they are cooking the aroma makes then hungry.
Sarah Leboeuf
1:14 am on Monday, February 11, 2013
What you dont seem to understand is that pedophiles are a dangerous threat and have hurt people. Harley Davidsons, Italians and guns do not hurt people. To some people they may be an annoyance. An object itself is not a threat. Its the person behind it. Guns need to be respected and used properly,They are only a threat or dangerous when the person handling it is irresponsible. Pedophiles are a threat.
Shelly Stow
7:38 am on Sunday, February 10, 2013
Sarah, it is way past the time for equating those who want fact-driven laws that will provide public safety for all with people who have committed or wish to commit crimes. Too many intelligent and educated people are having the discussions; too much has been published; too much has been ruled unconstitutional; too much has been disproved. This is a new era. Our current system was built on myths and lies, and they have been exposed. There isn't a valid study alive that shows any positive benefits for residency or presence restrictions for any category of persons. Neither is there one that shows any benefit to a PUBLIC registry.
And I am a relative of a daughter and a sister who are ex-victims. And one reason I fight for these laws to change is because they do zero for victims or to address the issue of child sexual molestation.
ltm
11:57 am on Sunday, February 10, 2013
Shelly, You are so correct! There are other considerations, as well. Sex Offender Registration is a prelude to creating other registries and how to monitor individuals. How many people haven't broken one law or another? How many people have committed felony laws and not been caught. There are very few folks who have not broken our laws in one way or another from white collar and blue collar crime, not to mention career criminals. Our government wants to know about everyone and to control everyone. There is plenty of evidence to make my point.
Jack Wana
2:33 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013
"Timothy Robertson (DEMOCRAT-Keene) has proposed a bill to make it illegal for cities and towns to ban sex offenders". Is the democratic party now on the side of sex offenders?
ltm
3:10 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013
How foolish Jack. This is not about Democrats or Repbulicans or taking sides. This is about proposed unconstitutional legislation and this is about human rights violations. People serve their time for whatever they did and then should be able to go about their lives unencumbered by numerous legislative acts that are illegal. Soon this will be done to DUI's down to jaywalking. Now is the time to stop this nonsense.
Jack Wana
3:45 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013
Clearly a democratic bill to protect sex offenders. Nothing at all to do with human rights violations. Protecting our children is the concern and should be paramount. Apparently with what the democratic party has become that is not that important to them.
Patriot
3:50 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013
Jack, maybe we can wait until they get a little closer to jay walking!
Sarah Leboeuf
1:18 am on Monday, February 11, 2013
No Jack, Democrats are not sympathizing with sex offenders. As much as I would love them to be banned (just the real pedophiles, not ones lableed as sex offenders but really arent, like those caught urinating in public or being 20 sleeping with a 15 year old, god I am sick of having to make myself clear on my position with this) We really cant ban them because then we just make it someone elses problem, until they are banned everywhere and forced on a remote island (That would be wonderful, but only in a perfect world unfortunatly)
ltm
3:23 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013
Proud Conservative (Proud of what?). Use your computer and look up International Human Rights of which the US is a member. Look up our Declaration of Independence and study our Constitution. Then you might have something to say that has relevance and value.
Patriot
3:51 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013
Proud Conservative, you are doing fine! You have a right to "FREE SPEECH!"
ltm
3:25 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013
Hilltopper. You are right. POLES. I am Polish and used the term loosly. I apologize to your sensitive nature. Although, that wasn't the issue regarding what I wrote. Only simple minded people will pick out grammar or a misused slang/term and focus on that alone.
Patriot
3:52 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013
That speaks volumes to your post!
ltm
3:52 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013
Well, Jack, I suppose if you would give up your freedoms for safety issues that certainly is your choice. Protecting our children is paramount but not paramount to overruling our constitution's guaranteed civil liberties or our human rights.
steve forte
7:00 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013
Thats how I feel about gun control.
ltm
3:57 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013
I am always suspicious of anyone who identifies themselves as a patriot and would like to say you seem to have little if anything to contribute accept to pose yourself as an advisary. How about something substantial from you Patriot-seems you miss the point too!
Patriot
4:23 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013
Other than going on a ramble what was it I missed?
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This 30 item list was really cool!
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My guess is you don't won't me to sharpen the Buck knife, But then and again I don't want my money to be spent on prisons, police, judges, lawyers, heat electricity, doctors, therapist, Blah, Blah, Blah!
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I really like the "" I am Polish and used the term loosly."" But then I am appealing to you insensitive side!
Shelly Stow
4:48 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013
Someone asked why we should care about sex offenders. The answers are many. Most on the registry are somebody's dad/mom/child/brother/wife/husband and on and on, and most of them are trying their best to make amends for their mistakes, crimes, or, in some cases, false accusations. Many of them are living as decent family people and community members and are at no more risk of harming someone than anyone reading this is. However, if you persist in your belief that every registrant is a danger to you or your children, then you should care even more. You should want everything possible done to minimize that risk. And if you really believe that arranging life and laws and attitudes so that the person cannot find stable and decent housing for self and family, cannot find a decent job with which to feed his family, cannot take his children to a park that his tax dollars help pay for, and is called a pedophile and a monster when he is neither and is told he should be castrated or shot or both--if you really believe that this is the way to create a less-risk individual, then Heaven help us all.
Tyler Crosson
6:26 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013
Exactly Shelly! Glad to see SOME people still have compassion and understanding in their hearts and minds...
Patriot
7:28 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013
Shelly these fights should be in the halls of the state house. All good points but this format is nothing more than a rehearsal. Hone your skills and talking points and take the fight to the battle ground.
Just remember that every remark as absurd as they may appear will be on the table and who anyone that takes the fight up will have to deal with them.
Sarah Leboeuf
1:27 am on Monday, February 11, 2013
Why should I care about the well being of people who hurt and violate children? why should we as a society be concerned for their wellbeing, oither than knowing where they are and that they are no where near children? Just to be clear AGAIN, I amnot talking about people caught urinating in public or most cases of statuatory rape. I mean perverted, sick pedophiles. I really dont care that they are someones dad/brother/uncle/husband/son. They lost the title of human being when they sexually assaulted a child. I highly doubt any of them are capable of redemption, and rehabilitation. If you are sick enough to have sexual feeling for children, you are beyond help, and would be better off dead so that no other children can be harmed ever again by said person. They are a waste of resourses that could be spent and used on other deserving people.
C Barry
5:11 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013
Sex offender rights is not what any democrat ran on. Little bizarre if you ask me.
Shelly Stow
7:46 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013
Already on it, Patriot; thanks.
News Flash
9:47 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013
Sex offenders protection isn't on ANY NH Taxpayers agenda. Is this what Governor Hassan has in mind for the state over the next two years.
arianna
10:10 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013
For starters,the label of sex offender is too easy to get. There's over 200 things that can put you on the list. Add in that it's way to easy in most states to be falsely accused. no actual evidence needed just the accusation, and we have a right mess.
If a person is that dangerous, they belong in some sort of appropriate facility, and not out on the streets.
I'm a survivor, of childhood sexual abuse, so I do have a clue. I also know that my life has been filled with love, and while not perfect (who's is?) It's been good. I'm tired of the perpetual victim mentality, self help "gurus' and their ilk, spread that nonsense, because it makes them money. They should be ashamed of themselves.
I also have a loved one who was falsely accused, and he must wear the label, even though his accuser has admitted that she'd lied...just not publicly, and it's likely she won't because then she would face charges.
Anyway, people often mention the "victim"...well what of the family of those registered? they often have to live with and deal with all the laws that their loved one does, and sometimes have their lives threatened and property destroyed, as well as, possibly facing homelessness and poverty.
Some would say, "they've made that choice." Really? Is love and commitment that cheap in society today?
I applaud this politician for having the guts to stand up for what is right, it's a shame it's so rare these days
Shelly Stow
7:47 am on Monday, February 11, 2013
“Pedophiles do not deserve forgiveness, a second chance, compassion, a warm bed, humane treatment. What they do deserve is the same sick treatment bestowed upon them, and a slow painful death. They chose to act upon their sick, twisted sexual fantasy, violated children in the worst possible way and forever changed their life. ”
Pedophilia is not an act. A pedophile is not a person who commits a specific act but a person who has been medically and psychologically diagnosed as having a primary sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children. Not everyone who sexually molests a child has pedophilia. Many with pedophilia have never touched a child inappropriately and never will. Most with pedophilia who offend choose their victims from among their own young relatives and others close to them. Once accused and forced to confront their crimes and actions, and especially with appropriate therapy, very few repeat the offense. To say that they will never stop, that they cannot stop, is, first, not true and disproved by very low recidivism, and secondly ridiculous to believe that people are incapable of controlling impulses and urges that they know to be wrong. People control sexual urges all the time. Some don’t; many do.
Don't construe this as a defense of harmful acts that hurt people; it isn't. I just believe that in a conversation this serious, accuracy is important. And it is also important to believe that people are capable of change and deserving of redemption; they are.
Shelly Stow
7:48 am on Monday, February 11, 2013
Cont. The concept of the perpetual victim is also a dangerous one. I know many ex-victims of childhood sexual abuse; my mother was one; my sister and daughter are also. I know many others, all leading productive and normal lives. Anyone can become a victim. Remaining a victim is a choice. I think Elizabeth Smart said that; if it was not she, then it was another prominent woman in a similar situation. Sexual abuse is horrible. It leaves scars, but it does not have to define who you are. Go to livestrongdotcom. Search for ‘overcoming victim-hood’ or ‘the victim syndrome.’ I pray for blessings and strength for all who are struggling and in need of help, and this includes both victims and offenders who are determined to live decent lives and are trying to make it.