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UPDATE: Details on Obama's Nashua Visit Released

He's traveling to NH to speak on the economy.

 

UPDATE, Feb. 27, 7 p.m.: Minutes ago, the White House released the details of President Obama's trip to Nashua on Thursday.

Air Force One is scheduled to fly into Wiggins Airways in Manchester at 12:20 p.m. Thursday. Obama is then scheduled to speak around 1:40 p.m. in the Nashua Community College gymnasium. Air Force One is then scheduled to fly out of Wiggins Airways at 3 p.m.

The Nashua event is free and open to the public, but tickets will be distributed on a first-come, first-served basis. One ticket per person will be distributed. Tickets will be available at Nashua Community College, 505 Amherst St., beginning at 6 p.m. Tuesday. Doors open at 10 a.m. on Thursday.

According to the White House press release, Obama's speech will focus on "his blueprint for an economy built to last with a focus on American energy."

An earlier story follows:

President Barack Obama will travel to New Hampshire next week, a White House official confirmed this afternoon.

The president will be in Nashua on Thursday to talk about the economy. The location and exact time are still being worked out and should be released early next week.

The trip is being billed as an official presidential visit, and not a campaign swing.

Obama and Vice President Joe Biden have been focusing a great deal of attention on New Hampshire, which is considered a key swing state in this year's presidential election. Biden was just in state yesterday, where he addressed supporters in Manchester.

The Republican Party, both locally and at the national level, didn't wait for all of the details on Obama's trip to emerge before offering their thoughts on the President's visit.

New Hampshire Republican State Committee Chairman Wayne MacDonald issued this statement:

“If President Obama wants to talk about the economy, he’s coming to the right place. After pushing a failed stimulus and creating uncertainty for job creators, President Obama will find that New Hampshire has outperformed much of the nation because of our commitment to lower taxes and our Republican legislature’s success in reigning in out-of-control regulations that can hurt a fragile economy. It’s my hope that the president talks about his record because his so-called ‘accomplishments’ have made matters worse, and they stand in sharp contrast to our values of limited government and local control.”

Republican National Committee spokesman Ryan Mahoney had this to say:

“Whether President Obama designates it as an official visit or a campaign event, New Hampshire residents are still on the hook for a trip that amounts to nothing more than a taxpayer funded stop in a battleground state to save Obama’s reelection hopes. Granite State voters need real solutions to soaring gas prices and a stagnant economy, but time and time again President Obama seems more interested in using the state as a campaign prop, rather than following through on his promises he’s made to New Hampshire.”

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Susan Ladmer

1:35 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

So glad he is coming to NH. I hope to get the chance to see him when he comes.

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Jeanne

8:31 am on Saturday, February 25, 2012

"...failed stimulus and creating uncertainty for job creators.." not so much. Tired old phrases that the Repub's hope will stick. Get real.
My husband, whose management-engineering job at HP was to off-shored to India in Jan. 2009, benefitted from a Federal re-traininig program--TAA (Trade Adjustment Assistance). Obama extended eligibility to include those whose jobs had been offshored to India (not just China).
My husband was unemployed for almost 2 difficult years. He earned a certificate in a new programming platform and has since found good work using that training to add to his previous experience and skills; in a small "certain" (as in profit-making, forward-moving) company right here in NH.
Beacuse of the TAA program, we also qualified for Health Coverage Tax Credit (HCTC) while he was in the 6 month training program...which helped us pay for health care coverage during that time.

Bob Hoxie

2:12 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

"Official Persidential Visit," not a campaign swing?? Yeah, right. He should just stay in D.C & do what he gets paid for. I'm sure he can find some country he hasn't apologized to yet.

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David Victory

2:30 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

Apologizing is what adults do when they screw up. That's why you never heard Bush do it.

If you're referring to the burning of a Qur'an by American troops, are you saying it wasn't a wildly stupid, disrespectful, totally unnecessary thing to do? Try to imagine; If Afghan troops had a base here in America, and burned bibles, what do you imagine the response would be? Be honest. Wouldn't you think AT LEAST an apology to us would be in order? Can't you understand that?

As long as people keep thinking only "their side" deserves human respect, we'll all have war and killing.

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David Victory

2:35 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

@ Registered

The economy is improving. Stock market hit 13000. Unemployment is down since GWB ran the country into a ditch. Don't they tell you these things on FAUX NEWS?

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John St Croix

1:15 pm on Monday, February 27, 2012

Moochelle is doing a phone bank.. it's campaigning on our tax dollar. These people have no shame.

John St Croix

3:41 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

When I think of Barack Obama I think of an unaccomplished puppet of the globalists who is charged with the mission of looting our treasury by giving billions to his offshore banker friends in order to bankrupt the country and put us under global government control for once and for all. And he's doing a good job of it!

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Jan Schmidt

3:44 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

no, I think you're thinking of the last President...

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David Victory

3:45 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

@ John

Information to support those startling claims? Waiting...

John St Croix

3:42 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

Further, anyone who still supports this man has to be insane. Our "Nobel Peace Prize Winner" started 4 or 5 new conflicts overseas and has made us the laughingstock of the world.

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Jan Schmidt

3:46 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

well, started? no, he finished few though...

John St Croix

3:44 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

Obama has caused the deficit to increase more than during any of the other presidents combined. Unemployment was 4.5% under Bush, bad enough, but now is 9.2% under Obama... stimulus was a waste and just tossed money at his constituents. Now he is telling you to vote for him if you are black. I say if you vote for him you are STUPID.

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David Victory

3:53 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

Anytime you want to supply links to support your facts & figures...

Dan

3:45 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

$1.85 - Average price of a gallon of gas in January 2009, the month Obama took office. Gas prices have surged over 90% during this president's term. Here's a question for you liberals: Why, when gas spiked to over $4.00 a gallon in late 2007 early 2008, were all the "unbiased" media outlets blaming President Bush, but now that their golden child Obama is in charge all the liberal talking heads say the president can't control gas prices? The double standard and hypocrisy is a joke!

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Jan Schmidt

3:51 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

well Dan - that would be because Bush and Cheney were oil men, who invited oil men to the WH to write the US energy policy... you'd think they had some control over it...

But the price of oil is finally determined by the commodity market where speculators make a mint trading oil futures... don't you just love the free market?

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David Victory

3:53 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

Anytime you want to supply links to support your facts & figures...

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ForThePeople

3:58 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

@Timothy

In the interest of raising the level of discussion, let's call a fact something that is verifiable. Start by providing resources and then fill it out with your party slant.

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John St Croix

1:19 pm on Monday, February 27, 2012

Funny Jan, the Rockefellers support Obama. Wonder why?

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LJoel Hackbart

1:25 am on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

LOL The price of gas was $1.85 in January 2009 because the country had slipped
in to the deepest reccession since the great depression, which caused an oil glut
and oil prices plunged. Why do you republicans insist on making such fools of yourselves with such statements? Do you have any idea how stupid your comment is?. But to answer you question your corporate run media has been lambasting Obama relentlessly for high gas prices, while they hardly raised an eye brow when gas prices spiked under Bush. Yes there is a double standard all right.

salemvoter

3:49 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

The President wrote a letter to the Afghan president to apologize for the accidental burning of the Quran becuase the burning was against Muslim beliefs and offended them.
Did he write a letter to the Pope to apologize for offending the beliefs of the Catholic Church in regards to contraception?

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David Victory

3:58 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

Apples. Oranges. I think you have them confused.

Jeff Hatch

3:49 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

So David do you have a wind mill or solar panels on your roof? I do use a lot of wood pellets and looked into the solar panels but the cost didn't out weigh the benefit. If you can make that happen I'm all for it.

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David Victory

3:54 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

I don't, but I'd love to. I actually rent, so it's not up to me in any case.

I haven't priced solar panels. I have no doubt they aren't cheap. With R & D, the price of solar panels will fall. Solar is widely used in Germany. Their goal is to be powered entirely by renewables by 2050. They're making it happen.

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Wendy James

4:28 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

We looked into solar panels and wanted to go with them but you are right Jeff, there is no benefit to getting them here in New England.

Dan

3:58 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

@ Jan - Are you trying to say that oil is jut now being traded on the commodities market under President Obama? Get a clue, oil has been traded as a commodity for decades. And yes, I love the free market, it's what made this country great. Redistribution and socialism don't work. How's all that working for the Europeon nations? The federal gov't should basically be doing two things, defend my country and fix the roads. Leave the rest of it to the state and local governments as was originally intended...

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ForThePeople

4:03 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

Just fine for some countries. How about Norway? :-)

Put the Fox news down and actually learn about European countries besides Greece. It's quite a large continent.

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David Victory

4:07 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

"I love the free market, it's what made this country great."

Some would argue it was the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Just sayin'.

After all, America didn't invent commerce.

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Dan

4:12 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

@ForThePeople - How about Italy, Spain, Portugal, France, all these countries are fiscal disasters. Also, the last time I checked if you don't like the USA you're more than welcome to move to say, Norway, where you can give the gov't most of your earnings and get your "free" health care, and rationed electricty...

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ForThePeople

4:15 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

@Timothy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurozone

You mean these? Do think that maybe there is a lot more to it than blaming poor people or saying the word socialist until it all makes sense to you? Just saying.

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Dan

4:23 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

@ David - Speaking of the Constitution, would you be so kind and show me where it gives the federal gov't power to force the citizens of the United States to purchase a product or service, i.e. ObamaCare. I'm pretty sure the commerce clause prohibits the gov't from such action, which is why the Supreme Court should rule it unconstitutional. Also, the founders that framed the U.S. Constituiton believed in a limited federal gov't and agreed the power should be at the state and local level.

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Dan

4:33 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

@ ForThePeople - Taxes, really that's what your going with. When this piece of crap was rammed down the taxpayers throat we were told by Obama and his minions that it would not increase taxes one bit. Now that they realize it's unconstitutional were being told it's a tax...verrrry convenient.

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Dan

4:37 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

Also, a tax is something levied on a product or service, its NOT the product or service itself...

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ForThePeople

4:37 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

@Dan

No, you asked me what authority. My taxes pay for a variety of things that I don't believe in, but I'm forced to do it. By your logic, and that of the Catholics, I shouldn't have to pay my taxes! And clearly ridiculous.

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Jan Schmidt

5:17 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

perhaps if you learned to read for context Dan...

Oil is and has been at the mercy of not just speculators but also the oil companies and their decisions to take out profits instead of building more refineries.

So everyone... complain about the price of gas at the pump all you like, just point your finger at the right bad guys.

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salemvoter

6:35 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

Jan,

"take out profits instead of building refineries" The EPA has not granted a permit to build a refinery in the US since 1976. Its the EPA preventing the building of refineries.

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Jan Schmidt

6:46 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

salemvoter - the EPA is protecting the air you, your children, and your grandchildren breathe.

"EPA creates regulations as required and authorized by the Clean Air Act (see Laws & Statutes for Clean Air Act requirements). NSR permits have been required by regulations since the 1970's."

Its their choice to not meet the NSR ....

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ForThePeople

10:59 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

Unfortunately, the EPA cannot filter out ignorance in addition to emissions.

Jeff Hatch

4:04 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

Yes I spent the entire summer there and there's a lot of wind farms but not as many houses with solor panels as you would think. Cost is just to high when I looked into it it would take 20 yrs to break even.

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David Victory

4:15 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

Even assuming that your 20 year projection is accurate, you would eventually break even - and as more resources are put into solar power, the cost will fall.

The biggest hurdle will be the extremely powerful fossil fuel industry. They like our big fuel payments, and they have a tremendous amount of influence in DC.

salem voter

4:22 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

I wish he would come to Salem. I would like to see him but I can not afford the gas to go to Nashua. I forgot I have a shovel ready car. Maybe he will send me some gas money.

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Wendy James

4:31 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

20 miles from Salem to Nashua, ride a bike !

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Jan Schmidt

5:29 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

Oh - here's a perfect image for the righties on this thread... go on.. take a look

http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoons/SteinE/2012/SteinE20120224_low.jpg

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Jan Schmidt

6:11 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

HP - you did or didn't find the humor in a comic that perfectly displayed some of the comments from this thread?

saminnh

6:25 am on Saturday, February 25, 2012

A number of other factors, such as the ongoing financial crises in Europe, volatile gas prices and how quickly the U.S. economy continues to grow could push the debt-ceiling deadline forward or backwards, according to the center.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/73260.html#ixzz1nOM4GtnK

The sun may rise in the East.

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Charles Hatch

12:11 pm on Saturday, February 25, 2012

Hope to see our 44th President of the United States.
We Care,We Count,We Matter. & We VOTE.
Néw Hampshire Welcomes you Mr.President.

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rick barasso

1:26 pm on Saturday, February 25, 2012

There used to be a joke when I was in school, "If you want to confuse a (pick a group), put them in a barrel and tell them to sit in the corner". It could now be, "If you want to confuse a Republican, ask them for facts to back up their rhetoric.
For instance, guess who the big oil profitters are? The same investment housesand banks the taxpayers bailed out, along with the Koch brothers who have given millions to the Republicans. I don't remember the GOP complaining when GW took more vacations than any other President in history. Before Obama even took office the projected deficet was 8 trillion dollars. That was before we found out just how screwed we were because of GOP policies. Obama's energy policies have invested in thousands of renewable energy initiatives and have created tens of thousands of jobs, but one company fails and guess who the GOP give as an example. One writer claims unemployment was 4.5% under GW. Perhaps when he came into office after Clinton this was true, it certainly wasn't the case when he left office.

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rick barasso

1:47 pm on Saturday, February 25, 2012

Robert Ingersall an insightful American orator during the late 19th and early 20th century had two quotes that should be remembered:

The only value of an opinion is the facts and logics which it contains.
A man can NOT add to the truthfulness of the truth...
and
A fact asks to be inspected.
A falsehood depends on it's partner for success.

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rick barasso

7:40 pm on Saturday, February 25, 2012

How much did the GOP candidates spend in NH over the past 18 MONTHS!

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TomRC

12:57 am on Sunday, February 26, 2012

It's all them greedy job creators that keep paying them to come back. Won't pay a living wage to Americans. Of course, if the minimum wage was half what it is now, that would create 4 times the jobs! (Republican math, can't learn that in them public schools!)

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Don Duston

10:18 am on Sunday, February 26, 2012

NH is a key swing state? Seriously?

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David Victory

1:29 pm on Sunday, February 26, 2012

@ Don,

Yes. NH is a swing state, and all swing states are important.

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ForThePeople

1:57 pm on Sunday, February 26, 2012

New Hampshire is a swing state. The last I checked, Obama has a 56% chance of winning. A swing state is defined as a state that could go either way.

David Victory

10:50 pm on Sunday, February 26, 2012

Obama Stimulus Created As Many As 2 Million Jobs Recently, Report Says

It's from the CBO. Bad news for the GOP (aka the"party of 'no'"). They like when people are out of work. They figure people will just blame Obama - and plenty would. They won't remember, if they ever knew at all, that the GOP refused to EVEN DISCUSS the president's job's bill. Republicans count on the electorate being unsophisticated bubbas. In many cases they're right.

http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2012/02/24/up-to-2-million-jobs-in-4th-quarter-related-to-obama-stimulus-r/?icid=maing-grid7|maing7|dl15|sec3_lnk1&pLid=138300&a_dgi=aolshare_facebook

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LJoel Hackbart

11:34 am on Monday, February 27, 2012

Thanks for the link David. That's some very embarrassing information
for the stimulus bashers. The problem is overcoming the corporate media
spin and getting this information out. Again thanks for the link.

rick barasso

8:28 am on Monday, February 27, 2012

I was at Daytona yesterday when Romney came onstage and had the balls to say "he loved cars" . He must have meant foriegn cars, as he was ready to let the American Auto industry go bankrupt costing the country as many as a million jobs.
Thank you Mr. President

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John St Croix

1:23 pm on Monday, February 27, 2012

He would have bailed out the car companies and that would have been wrong. But at least it proves there isn't a dime's worth of difference between Romney and Obama.. a vote for one is a vote for more war, globalism, and world government... and NO CHANGE.

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David Victory

11:44 pm on Monday, February 27, 2012

@ John

What world do you live in? It's not this one, because Romney (Rawmoney) has said repeatedly that he would have let the American auto industry die. Obama saved Detroit, and it's making every lunkhead with Obama Derangement Syndrome very unhappy. After all, the Repugs are rooting for America to fail. They do it every day. it's all over the airwaves, and all over these boards. All the "patriots" rooting against their own country.

John St Croix

10:51 am on Monday, February 27, 2012

By now anyone with a brain knows that Obama and Co should be in JAIL for treason --- tossing billions of our money to offshore banker friends, to 'redistribute' the wealth and collapse the economy. His intentions are just that.. make no mistake about it. It's in the communist playbook to end capitalism. This man with no background, no qualifications and no record of proper SS# or birth certificate is looting our country for our enemies.

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David Victory

10:56 pm on Monday, February 27, 2012

@ John

What a bunch of malarkey. Turn off Limbaugh (then again, maybe Limbaugh is too mild for you).

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John St Croix

8:12 am on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

@David Victory: Taxpayer money isn't supposed to bail out car companies. That is how we fail... it's MY MONEY. How about MY business? Am I not too big to fail? Too bad eh? It's ridiculous and I never heard of such thing, except when obama wants to reward his cronies and constituents. I don't even know who Limbaugh is that you are talking about.

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David Victory

11:37 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

@ John

"How about MY business? Am I not too big to fail?"

I agree with you. On one level it IS galling that GM & Chrysler were bailed out. They (particularly GM) never should have been allowed to get so big. At one point they had...let's see if I can remember them all...Chevy, Cadillac, Pontiac, Buick, Oldsmobile, Saturn & Hummer. WTF?!?! Why were they allowed to merge that many different brands into one monster company? That's when we end up with "too big to fail". It's extra irritating when you consider the horrible product GM put out for decades. In the 70s, when gas prices spiked, the Japanese introduced cheap, reliable, fuel efficient cars. GM (and to be fair - the other domestics, too) laughed and kept making land yachts that got 8mpg and needed repairs every 5k miles. A generation got burned, and the Japanese took a huge share of our market. In 2010 the proverbial chickens had come home. I didn't like it either, but the fact is, they WERE too big to fail. So many jobs would have been lost. Not only the direct employees of GM & Chrysler, but all their suppliers down the line, would have been sunk. The cash infusion kept them alive. They're also making much better cars these days. In the end, President Obama did what needed to be done. I'll tell you, though - I'd be for breaking GM up so this can't happen again. It's all the more reason why we need to carefully scrutinize these big corporate mergers.

John St Croix

11:25 am on Monday, February 27, 2012

If it's not a campaign swing, how come Moochelle will be in Manchester Weds nite to work a phone bank for hubby ? 1915 Front St., Manchester, NH 03102 on Wednesday, February 29th @ 5:30 PM.

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David Victory

10:58 pm on Monday, February 27, 2012

It IS a campaign swing. All presidents seeking a second term do it. Stop trying to pretend otherwise. Get real.

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Jan Schmidt

6:15 am on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Why do you hate such a beautiful, talented, intelligent, successful woman?

(and you've got your information wrong)

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John St Croix

8:13 am on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

I don't hate Moochelle, I despise what she and her mentally ill husband are doing with this country... plus the fact that she is trying to tell us what we can eat and do... they are the most intrusive dictators we've ever had. She and her $1,200 shoes.

rick barasso

12:37 pm on Monday, February 27, 2012

J S C you sir are a bigot and a racist.and all of your post should be viewed with that in mind. Moochelle? Really, how old are you 12? And what century are you living in?
Let us pray, you are unable to breed............

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David Victory

11:28 pm on Monday, February 27, 2012

@ Hocus

The "desperate" ones are the GOP overlords. They know the current crop of candidates are abysmal losers. There's even talk of begging Jeb Bush to run!!!

John St Croix

1:12 pm on Monday, February 27, 2012

What does complaining about a person's waste of our tax dollars by her lavish spending on vacations and clothing have in ANY REMOTE WAY ANYTHING TO DO WITH RACISM OR BIGOTRY? You lefties have no arrows left in your quiver and can't argue without tossing in the race or class card... Believe me, they'd get the same criticisms no matter their color. I call that anti-discriminatory.. while you'd allow them to get pass just BECAUSE they are minorities..

Shame on you.

PS - I have 12 kids, all conservatives.

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Jan Schmidt

6:18 am on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Did you know that if you beat your children, you can actually reduce their intelligence? Not just for the time they suffer under your roof, but for always? Did you also know that lower intelligence is more prevalent in the (R) party?

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John St Croix

8:15 am on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

@Jan with comments like that, I'm going to have to say you are a bigot and a racist. Lower intelligence is prevalent in the D party... they just are too dumb to know it. Ignorance is bliss. It's statements like that which tell me where you are coming from... no facts, just attacks.

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John St Croix

8:16 am on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

I am also not sure what beating children had to do with anything. I could ask you when did you stop beating yours?

jrmetalman

6:11 pm on Monday, February 27, 2012

Arguing with LIBERALS is almost as much fun as paying for gasoline and Home heating oil. Are all of you Obama supporters Paid??? Bush is always to blame even though the Dems controlled the House until recently. The Dems also controlled the Senate and still do. Your people were heavily involved with our collapse and you always blame Bush. The buying power of the dollar is going down and will get worse. Everything is going to cost more because of all the DEBT!!! This president has done nothing to help produce more oil, we have produced more despite Obama green policies.

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ForThePeople

6:54 pm on Monday, February 27, 2012

You are on to us. I have sent out an encrypted e-mail to the team, as our cover has been blown.

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David Victory

11:07 pm on Monday, February 27, 2012

No links, no cred. You're just starting to whine because you know OBAMA IN 2012!!!!! All the GOP candidates are nutty as fruitcakes (except for Romney, who's as likable as a cold sore). Get your conspiracy theories about stolen elections ready now.

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David Victory

11:25 pm on Monday, February 27, 2012

@ Hocus

And if "Hocus" spreads a rumor, you can take that to the bank! :)

Dennis Taylor

8:35 pm on Monday, February 27, 2012

How about we ask Obama to stop campaigning while he is supposed to be working his current job? How about we ask Obama to stop spending 4 million dollars when he feels a need to go on a 17 day vacation to Hawaii with his brood? How about we ask Michelle--as a non-elected anything-to shut up?

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Jan Schmidt

8:58 pm on Monday, February 27, 2012

Why does the right hate Michelle Obama? I think she's remarkable. She's an educated woman, an excellent mom, dedicated to her family, poised and quite beautiful.

and
I looked up your attack on their vacation.. part of the high cost was due to the Republicans forcing the President to stay in Washington to make sure the payroll tax cut passed - he lost 6 days of his vacation and had to travel separately.

and then this...

"Let’s take a little trip down memory lane. As of August of this year, President Obama had taken 61 days of vacation, a number that paled in comparison, at the same point in their presidencies, with George W. Bush’s 180 days at his ranch, and Ronald Reagan’s 112 days at his. The Daily Kos estimated George W. Bush’s Crawford ranch trips to cost taxpayers about $226,000 a trip in flight costs alone . . . so do the math. At the very, very least, the pricetag for Bush’s vacations to Crawford cost us $17,407,544 - and that’s before factoring in the costs of security detail, press corps, staff and the like."

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David Victory

11:10 pm on Monday, February 27, 2012

@ Jan
It's noble of you to try to reason with these unfortunates. They suffer from Obama Derangement Syndrome. The exact cause isn't known, but studies suggest it's the result of a lack of education mixed with an affinity for unhinged extremist right wing radio and cable "news". In very rare cases, some can be cured of this affliction by the daily, patient application of reason and accurate information. Most succumb, and live an empty life of ranting, hatred, and voting against their own best interests.

Dennis Taylor

8:38 pm on Monday, February 27, 2012

If you are interested in blacks actually being racist, check out the results from the Democratic primary in which whites split their vote between a white woman (Clinton) and a black man (Obama). One would think that fair minded blacks might be similarly swayed, right??? But no!!! They voted almost exclusively for the black candidate. So, do we live in a country where it is morally wrong to be a white racist or do we live in a country where it is morally wrong to be a racist, regardless of one's color?

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Jan Schmidt

9:01 pm on Monday, February 27, 2012

Racist?

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

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Dennis Taylor

9:24 pm on Monday, February 27, 2012

First of all, I am against presidents taking vacations. If you can't be happy at the White House, don't run for president. Secondly, we should limit them to one term so that they do not spend any of their paid time campaigning. Moreover, being the sitting president gives that president an unfair advantage in the election. Finally, I believe that all relatives of the president should keep silent, pay their own way on trips, and generally, stay out of the spotlight. Whether I like Michelle or not, I have helped pay for a good number of trips in which she has participated. Rather, I am on the hook for the borrowed money spent to move her around the globe.

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David Victory

11:14 pm on Monday, February 27, 2012

@ Dennis

Presidents need vacations. It's a stressful job.
One term for president? Hmmm. Have to think about that one. Not sure.
The incumbent president always has an advantage, regardless of party affiliation.
The president should keep silent? No. That's silly.

Dennis Taylor

9:29 pm on Monday, February 27, 2012

As far as the comment from the "Princess Bride," perhaps I live in a world where we whites are browbeaten for being bad people if we vote with any racial feelings, but blacks are lifted up for recognizing that their interests are best served by voting for a black candidate. What if white interests were served by voting for a white candidate? Is racism wrong for all, or only wrong for whites? I never knew about the likely racist voting of blacks in the 2008 primary, probably because it did not suit our politically correct media to point out even the potential of black racism.

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Jan Schmidt

9:42 pm on Monday, February 27, 2012

Whites are browbeaten?
What world do you live in???

You have some twisted ideas there Dennis - take a walk in the shoes of someone else someday - any day... hey! get a vagina in NH and try that one out! Raped - hey, make the best of it - its a gift!!! we don't want any abortion providers here! Want to be free of the pain of menstruation? Oh - your employer had moral objections to that pill... to f'n bad for you girlie.

Don't you dare whine about how bad the white male has it in today's society - it makes you look like a cretin. Do you want to look like a cretin?

Dennis Taylor

9:41 pm on Monday, February 27, 2012

David Victory:

How about this for dealing with the illegal colonizers from Mexico? Fine users of this illegal labor 100,000 per illegal on a non-dischargeable in bankruptcy basis, with additional liens on that "businessman's" social security and give 30% of this fine to the person who turns them in. Pass this law and you will see the hoard of U-hauls heading back across the border almost immediately.

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David Victory

11:17 pm on Monday, February 27, 2012

@ Dennis

I think you're probably right. But I still say JAIL. Nothing scares white collar criminals more than the notion of being tossed into the general prison population. And why shouldn't they be, I say.

Dennis Taylor

9:49 pm on Monday, February 27, 2012

Jan:

Your vitriol is proof of my point that whites must somehow eschew racism while others persue it. I would be a cretin if I were to remain unaware of this fact. Morevoer, threatening me from exposing this merely strengthens my resolve to do so. Check out the facts about the 85% percent of blacks who voted for Obama in the 2008 Democratic primary and then discuss why you think they could not have possibly voted in a racist manner. Since the left believe that outcomes prove racism, these outcomes should be viewed in the same manner. After all, if all or nearly all of the whites had voted for Clinton, you would have a good case for white racism. They split 60/40 between the candidates. But again, I use reason where you would use insults and brow beating.

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Jan Schmidt

6:05 am on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

My vitriol?

And you still don't understand racism.
And you still don't get why ANYONE voted for Obama.

of course people voted for him for many reasons, one of which is how his color has given him a different outlook than the privileged pair he was running against. boil it down for the stoopids and all they hear is "because he's black"

Turn off limbaugh and you'll start looking a whole lot smarter

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John St Croix

8:48 am on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Dennis, Jan has to blame everything on someone named "Limbaugh".. as if you can't think for yourself. Jan doesn't realize that it's racism that GOT Obama elected (many voted for him BECAUSE of his color as if that made him some sort of God) But despite his color, he is just as much a person of PRIVILEGE as anyone else that was in there, including his COUSIN and cohort in the CIA, W Bush... after all, he was Kissinger's "protege", (Kissinger gave him his first job and groomed him for president just like Rockefeller groomed Clinton) but Jan's knowledge is limited on those subjects.. because all she does is watch TV.

You cannot argue with such narrow minded and ill informed people.. they don't read anything but what's on the nightly news on MSNBC.

Dennis Taylor

9:58 pm on Monday, February 27, 2012

Jan:

If you feel entitled to kill a helpless baby in your womb because of the way it got there, I cannot do anything but shake my head in disgust at your wanton evil, and in sadness at the destruction of the innocent life you would so casually cause.

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David Victory

11:23 pm on Monday, February 27, 2012

@ Dennis

You're WAY over the top. If you're going to tell a 15 year old she has to deliver her rapist's baby, the evil one is you. If you're going to tell a woman she needs to carry a pregnancy to term even though it will kill her, the evil one is you. I cannot do anything but shake my head in disgust.

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Jan Schmidt

6:12 am on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

ohhh dennis - your vitriol! please... tone it down! you sound almost shrill!

Between 30% & 70% of fertilized eggs never make it to implantation,
and this is what should happen after a rape.

David Victory

11:58 pm on Monday, February 27, 2012

Here's a fun little site, with some of President Obama's accomplishments, with sources. It's written in language home-schooled, FAUX-informed Repugs can understand: http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/

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John St Croix

8:38 am on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Really funny! Half of those things are disastrous redistribution of the wealth for you gimme gimme crowd, and I note they leave out all the megalo-maniacal stuff he has forced upon us... like indefinite detainees. Who the hell cares about funding violence against women, space flight, and extra czar for tech when czars are not even legal or necessary (yeah so he can close the internet when he wants to shut down opposition) the failed stimulus plan and Oh I could go on.. all #fail #fail #fail, or illegal or unconstitutional.. If these are accomplishments, OMG... we're in big trouble.

John St Croix

8:16 am on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Comments like Jan's tell us a lot about the mentality of Dems.. disjointed, misguided, and plainly erratic.

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John St Croix

8:26 am on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Wow where to begin with David's socialistic ideas..

"Universal, single-payer health care would have been a better idea."

Really? Because the gov't did so well with Amtrak, the PO, and the DMV??? Because rationing is the answer to getting rid of all our people who don't have money to be treated? Because cutting medicare will hang the elderly out to dry? Sure they'd just let them die according to the health czar.. Donald Berwick who LOVES rationing. Seriously, Obamacare has cut off benefits for many people and increased premiums by more than 40% for employers. Nice eh?

"Polling data during and after last week’s midterm elections suggested that many Americans genuinely believe President Obama has raised their taxes -- even though the reality is that our president actually lowered them for most of us".

I know this for a fact... retirees are going to have their income taxes TRIPLED. Nice... hit up the old folks who saved all their lives for their own upkeep.. hit 'em where it hurts. Obama is a scumbag.

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David Victory

11:15 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

@ John
"'Universal, single-payer health care would have been a better idea.'"

That's what I said. If you think the current for-profit system is working, you're SADLY mistaken. Over 1/2 of the personal bankruptcies in America are caused by medical bills, and 75% of those filing HAD INSURANCE (yep, that red-blooded, apple pie, for-profit American kind). If you think that's ok, there's something very wrong with you.

"Nearly two out of three bankruptcies stem from medical bills, and even people with health insurance face financial disaster if they experience a serious illness, a new study shows.

The study data, published online Thursday in The American Journal of Medicine, likely understate the full scope of the problem because the data were collected before the current economic crisis. In 2007, medical problems contributed to 62.1 percent of all bankruptcies. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by about 50 percent.

“The U.S. health care financing system is broken, and not only for the poor and uninsured,” the study authors wrote. “Middle-class families frequently collapse under the strain of a health care system that treats physical wounds, but often inflicts fiscal ones.”

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/04/medical-bills-cause-most-bankruptcies/

John St Croix

8:28 am on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

"The new Congress will probably try to restore millions of dollars of funding for scientifically inaccurate, largely disastrous abstinence-only curriculum in schools, many of which have been shown to spread lies like "condoms don't work" and "abortion causes cancer."

Another scare tactic from the progressives... no basis in fact. And what is wrong with teaching abstinence? It worked for me and for my children.

"News outlets picked up a wildly inflated and completely outlandish claim from an Indian blog that Obama’s trip abroad cost $200 million a day--and listeners have swallowed it. (In this case, the White House flat-out denied it.) "

They are wrong.. these welfare-class people in the WH likely spent MORE... they are criminals.

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David Victory

11:26 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

@ John,
"They are wrong.. these welfare-class people in the WH likely spent MORE... they are criminals."

No, John. You're wrong. You live in your own small reality. And if you think it's not loud and clear what you mean when you say "welfare class people" when you refer to the First Family, you're wrong. We got your number.

John St Croix

8:31 am on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

"Another recent phenomenon? Half of new Congressmen don’t believe in the reality of global warming. It’s not that they don’t just disagree on the source or the severity of the problem."

Global warming is a hoax created by Maurice Strong, the Rothschilds and Rockefellers in order to impose a global tax and global government upon us. The earth has gone through cycles of warming and cooling for millions of years without humans around and will continue. Besides, they were caught fudging the numbers and are now forever going to be laughed at. It's more serious than that however, it's a created crisis -- created by THEM -- and you suckers are falling for the solution THEY offer. Ever hear of the Hegelian Dialect?

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David Victory

11:28 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

@ John

Get the butterfly net for this one...

ForThePeople

9:21 am on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

I have often wondered what makes a far-right Republican buy every single crazy word put out by the Right. Why do they literally believe everything? I may vote Democrat, but I don't believe everything the left tells me, so why is it like that for Republicans? Inevitably, one of you will come to a forum just like this and vomit all over it with complete lies and another one will copy and paste it somewhere else.

And then educated people have to do the cleanup.

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John St Croix

9:28 am on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Why is it that you progressives make broad sweeping assumptions?
I am not a republican but an independent... and I haven't been given any talking points. I do my own research. If anyone vomits it's you folks who really should move to Cuba because you would like their system better than our Constitutional Republic... instead of trying to turn OUR country into Cuba.

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Jan Schmidt

9:34 am on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

oh - hahahahhaha

"Why is it that you progressives make broad sweeping assumptions? "

and he doesn't even see the humor!!! oh hahahahahah

John St Croix

9:37 am on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

@Jan: Your ad hominem attacks just prove to all of us here one thing -- you have already lost the argument. (accusations of racism, bigotry and low intelligence are typical responses from people who can't support anything they are saying...)

And now I'll make one of my own - people who use the above are of low character. I think we call them 'dirty fighters' and the Dems are the MOST dirty and corrupt of all.

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Jan Schmidt

9:42 am on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

hahahahah oooohohoh hahahahahaha

thank you for the laugh John - it brightened my whole day... hahahahah

Joe

12:21 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Dear People of NH,

If the visit of our President to the city of Nashua excites you, please send a donation, preferably large, to the city. You "contribution" will help offset the cost to the city of his visit and lessen the burden he is placing on the hard working and struggling tax payers of Nashua.

Thank you.

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John St Croix

4:33 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

I would prefer he took the next slow boat to China thank you.

R. Scott White

1:13 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

"Global warming is a hoax created by Maurice Strong, the Rothschilds and Rockefellers in order to impose a global tax and global government upon us. "

You know, I'm proud to live in NH, where every viewpoint is exchanged, people live with rugged independence and people enjoy their higher than average standard of living with a sense of fun and responsibility.

But every once in a while someone says something so dumb - like this for instance - and you just wonder if there's something in the water that I hadn't heard about.

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John St Croix

4:34 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Dear Mr. White.. It's not in the water, but apparently not in your lexicon to do any research... every once in a while I have to ask -- - do you you not read? Simple research will tell you who Maurice Strong is... http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/cover031307.htm Can you read? Please take advantage of that wonderful thing called history. Maybe you can catch up with life...

rick barasso

1:49 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

JSC, You are a bigot, or was Moochelle a typo?
You had 12 kids!
As a tax payer let me thank you for making us pay for your inability to control you sexual desires.

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John St Croix

4:36 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Typical liberal progressive control freak big government megalomaniac --- it's none of your BUSINESS. Your taxes haven't paid once cent for any of my childrens' anything. Moochelle was not a typo and when someone is sucking off the public teat they are not excused just because of the color of their skin... er... unless you are a racist who notices 'color' of skin.. I don't. I just notice content of character and behavior, specifically in this case BAD behavior.. like tearing down our country... asking to 'change' history... being a communist.

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David Victory

11:33 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

@ John

"I just notice content of character and behavior, specifically in this case BAD behavior.. like tearing down our country... asking to 'change' history... being a communist."

Any facts to back up your drama? Let's see some examples. Not emotional horse piles - links. Real links to real information about "tearing down the country" or "changing history" Enough with the talk radio / FAUX "News" hyperbole. You got nothing.

John St Croix

4:39 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

That's nice. Are they going to smash windows and crap on police cars? Sounds like something you liberals would love... a real luau!

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ForThePeople

5:10 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

It is a Republican rally John...you didn't even read the article! What's new, right?

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David Victory

11:42 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

@ FTP

No, FTP, he didn't bother to even read it. He has his mind made up already. That's why he won't learn anything. And John, "... it uses the word 'Occupy' which I want nothing to do with. It's a Soros thing." ...is just pathetic. Admit it. Be honest for once. You commented on an article you didn't even bother to read - and then instead of coping to it, you offered a embarrassing, childish excuse. Why should we take your posts seriously? This shows they don't come from an informed point of view.

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LJoel Hackbart

12:43 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

It would seem your tea party friends know a little something about brick throwing
and violence as well. It Sounds like violence is something you far right extremists would love.
www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1015110_.html
www.adl.org/learn/extremism_in_the_news/White_Supremacy/...
www.alternet.org/story/148645
www.pissedonpolitics.com/?p=3184
www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/tea-party-terrorist/2616
www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5pdwTQ4xA8 -
www.youtube.com/watch?v=txU55iFG9UA -
www.american-reporter.com/4,408/259.html
www.deathandtaxes.com/?p=13
Gee. I seem to remember you once posting an absurdity something along the lines of
"the tea party never had so much as a parking ticket."
You, as a far, far, right extremist, perhaps don't know - Denial is not a river in Egypt.

John St Croix

5:14 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Republican? I think not... it uses the word 'Occupy' which I want nothing to do with. It's a Soros thing.

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John St Croix

9:13 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

If it's OCCUPY it's communist and I want no part of it. Koch probably sponsored it yes, and so does Soros. Other than Soros, the biggest Occupy donor is also a Romney supporter... what does that tell you? I wouldn't be caught at this 'rally' for a million bucks. What a joke.

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David Victory

11:48 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

@ John
"If it's OCCUPY it's communist and I want no part of it."

Doubling down on that line, huh? It was too much trouble for you to read the link, and you got called on it.

John St Croix

9:14 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

@ForThePeople: Occupy is NOT tea party, never will be. Neither are these people.

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John St Croix

8:54 am on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Eh Jan, the Federal Government does NOT pay firerfighters LOL

And yes, handing over $500 BILLION to the offshore private bankers who won't tell us what they did with that tax money is Obama's LOOTING the country.. which can only be for one reason.. the Sorosian ideal of crashing us to take us over for his one world utopia.

Utopia doesn't work. Ever read Orwell?

Universal payer doesn't work.... instead of people who bankrupt but alive, they would be left for DEAD if younger than 3 and older than 50.

It's already happening.

SHAME on you lunatic liberals... that is not America.

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David Victory

9:46 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

@ John.

"Universal payer doesn't work.... instead of people who bankrupt but alive, they would be left for DEAD if younger than 3 and older than 50."

That. Is. Crap. Stop lying! If you have a legit argument to make fine, but don't lie.

John St Croix

9:01 am on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Not to mention that Obama gets his marching orders from the Center for American Progress, a think tank funded by Soros run by the vicious and devious David Axelrod. Bunch of criminals.

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David Victory

9:49 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

@ John

What? None of that is true. Shame on you. Stop making up nonsense. (Of course, if you want to be taken seriously, a link to support your outlandish claims would be a start).

John St Croix

11:50 am on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Hackbart.... most of those links have been removed because they were erroneous reports. So are you justifying $20M damage in Oakland with smashing windows and burning down buildings, 26 rapes, 12 deaths, 3 of them murders, and the commission of every other crime known to man including robbery?

http://blog.heritage.org/2011/12/30/police-union-blames-occupy-d-c-for-citys-rising-violent-crime-rate/

The full rap sheet:

http://biggovernment.com/jjmnolte/2011/10/28/occupywallstreet-the-rap-sheet-so-far/

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John St Croix

11:51 am on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

The tea party has never had a parking ticket.

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John St Croix

11:56 am on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

As we speak, according to their latest tweet, Occupy is plotting to attack BoA... wonder how much damage they will do? They are continually making it worse for working people who can't go to their jobs... they are plotting against the middle class....

Bank of America direct action expected to start soon. Some people talking about a blitz. #OccupyWallStreet #F29 #CorporateShutdown

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Dennis Taylor

12:33 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

David:

Thanks for retreating to the "safest" pro-abortion scenario in which a child is raped. However, a baby is a baby, and I am assuming that you would not kill one outside of the womb, no matter how much you "cheerlead" killing one inside a womb--if that child got there through the terrible crime of rape. I believe that in supporting this crime of abortion, you are asking for the blood of it on your immortal soul. This is not a choice that I recommend for anyone, but, again, you have freedom of choice as a gift from God.

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Jan Schmidt

12:51 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Dennis, when you have a uterus then you get to decide what happens in it.. OK?

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David Victory

9:51 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

@ Dennis

Lunacy. If a woman is raped it's UP TO HER how she wants to handle it. NOT YOU. The Repugs always want "Big Government" out of our lives - and then wants to force women by law to carry their pregnancy to term after their attack. Madness.

Dennis Taylor

12:42 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Jan, based on your argument, I could vote for Mitt Romney if I felt that he, as a white man, had a race based perspective I admire. There would, of course, be nothing racist in such a position. What a remarkable load of nonsense!!!

What are you currently doing yourself to discourage blacks from voting for Obama based on his perceived "blackness?" Are you actually in favor of race-based voting decisions?

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Jan Schmidt

12:49 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

no dear, you'd vote for Romney if you think corporations are people, if you think once he's President he'll stop changing his message every 10 minutes.... you'd vote for him because you think his upbringing has prepared him to govern the entire county.

it is not race-based... perhaps some day you and I can have a coffee and we can talk about discrimination - about what real raced-based decisions are - until then I don't think you have the capacity to understand... at least not from our discussion here...

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Jan Schmidt

1:12 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Yes, Dennis, you get to decide what happens inside your body - what a concept!

and you can imagine anything your sick little mind cooks up - have fun... I still offer the coffee...

John St Croix

12:46 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

The few incidents Hackbart manages to scrape up were not bona fide tea party activities or events nor can they be official traced to them.

However, the OWS crowd, which he makes no comment on as if ignoring it will make it go away, do have OFFICIAL actions and activities which resulted in the damage and crime and murders that were committed in hundreds of instances.

Sorry Hackbart you #fail.

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John St Croix

1:01 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

As we speak, OWS is breaking laws and causing violence.

"Riot Cops assembling on both sides of us. #F29 #Walmart @OccupyRiverside"

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Dennis Taylor

1:06 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Jan:

So, when I get a uterus, I choose whether to kill my baby--without my partner's consent or knowledge. I imagine that is something that you have already done--killed your own baby, or cheered with delight at the death caused by one of your fellow travelers.

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Jan Schmidt

2:55 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

your imagination is something Dennis... reeeeelly something!

LJoel Hackbart

1:18 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Yes. John My links have been discredited by that ultimate
source of merciless objectiivity. You.[Sarcasm intended] Once again ,
denial is not a river in Egypt.

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Dennis Taylor

2:47 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Jan:

There literally is nothing I can say to a woman who has the blood of thousands of babies on her hands. By supporting this genocide, you are a criminal against humanity.

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Jan Schmidt

2:53 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

you're afraid? of me? hahahahahahah ooohhh hahahahaha

Dennis Taylor

3:14 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Jan Schnidt:

May your crimes haunt you and may you repent before you die of the murders you have committed and the murders you have urged others to commit.

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Dennis Taylor

3:47 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Jan Schmidt:

Just so you know, your right to life came from God. The founding fathers saw it this way and so do I. By your own argument, you are here because your mother, as sole sovereign of her womb, decided to bring you into the world. Now, you may pollute the world with your words and raise daggers to kill babies, if you like. I am sure that your mother did not mean to unleash such monstrous evil in your person when she bore you, but she did. I do not lay any blame at her feet, unless, like you, she advocated the wanton killing of her own and other people's babies. You were created by God, though your heart has turned black. I hope that you will cease posting messages here that could in any way encourage a woman to act in such an unnatural way as to kill her unborn and precious child. Each word that you utter in support merely adds another baby to your kill list.

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Dennis Taylor

3:49 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Jan Schmidt:

Like most cowards, you seek to avoid the issue. If you had killed one or more of your own children, you would state so here as you beleive that there is nothing wrong in doing so. If you had not, you would have replied that, though you had not done any killing yourself, you actively support other women killing their babies. Instead, you play word games with my statements in the hope of avoiding my attack. I am calling you out as a murderer of innocent children and, so far, I have nothing by way of a defense.

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Dennis Taylor

3:51 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

The above should read : "I am calling you out as a murderer of innocent children, and so far, I have SEEN nothing by way of a defense."

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David Victory

10:19 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

@ Dennis

She probably has stuff to do... Do you think she lives to argue with raving lunatics on Patch? Anyway, she probably has little left to say.

Abortion is a sensitive issue. I've ever met anyone who took it lightly. I've never met anyone who was pro-abortion. Never. I know many people who believe a woman has sovereignty over her body, and it's nobody else's place to decide. I'm one of them. As a man, I'll never be faced with the question.

I think anybody who has a problem with the idea of abortion should enthusiastically support sex education (for both genders, naturally) and contraception (for both genders, naturally). They're excellent ways to cut down on unwanted pregnancies.

Dennis Taylor

3:53 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

As far as the rest of you readers, do you think that a little killing of babies is fine, as long as you have some sort of excuse? I am surprised that I seem to be alone here in my defense of the unborn. However, given the Democratic tendancy to call the killing of babies the exercise of a woman's free choice, perhaps I should not be surprised by the silence. After all, for evil to occur it merely requires that good men and women do nothing.

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rick barasso

5:48 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

How do you feel GW should be punished for the killing of tens of thousands innocent people? You know, when he knowing lied to us about the WMD's. And how do you feel about capitol punishment?

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David Victory

6:07 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

@ Rick

They don't give two s*%!s about human beings. It's blastocysts they are obsessed with. You can't be pro-life and pro war, but so many GOP supporters manage to be. And capital punishment? That practically leads to sexual arousal in righties. Nope. Pro-life my a**.

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David Victory

6:16 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

@ Hocus

It's too much trouble for you even to use your own ideas. Pretty sad, Regina er..Hocus.

Dennis Taylor

6:21 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

If George Bush lied about WMDs, he should be punished for falsely seeking support for the war. He has, in my opinion, a duty to not tell the people he serves lies, though, to be fair, we Americans crucified Jimmy Carter for his "limitations" speech and elected Reagan because of his "promises." It is a slippery slope as to how to seperate lies from statements one has some basis for making, but I agree with you about wanting the president to tell the truth. As far as capital punishment goes, I believe the punishment for most pre-meditated murders should be a swift death sentence carried out within a year of the verdict. There are likely exceptions that involve mitigating circumstances such as a child killing his abusive parent. Moreover, such capital punishment must be meeted out in a consistent, non-racially based manner. We are talking about persons who understand the difference between good and evil, and thus, they understand the likely punishment for their actions.
As far as abortions, when the life of a mother will be lost if the baby is born, I would be in favor of the abortion. However, such a mother may be morally responsible for creating the situtation in which she was saved over her baby. There may be self-induced medical conditions that could create such a situation, for example, such as illegal drug use

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Dennis Taylor

6:31 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Who says that I am pro-war? I believe that our foreign policy has generally been one of bullyism. We stole the nation of Hawaii and have put in one dictator after another in the Middle East. As far as not killing babies, this is a fundamental rule of humanity. Our children should be our most protected of citizens, and yet, we kill over 330,000 per year in abortion clinics. As far as being a Republican, I am ashamed that Romney is the most popular of all, while Ron Paul, a man worthy of being among our founding fathers, struggles to get elected. He is in favor of smaller governments with state governments deciding the issue of abortion. Why not elect him and then, if you still want to kill your baby, vote with your feet by moving to the states that will still allow this madness?

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David Victory

10:30 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

@ Dennis
"Who says that I am pro-war? I believe that our foreign policy has generally been one of bullyism." We agree! Bravo!

Back to abortion. Oy. Assuming that figure is correct (330,000), what do you think can be done to reduce it? Outlawing it (big government, right) would just bring back the coat hanger. I would hope you'd be passionate about teaching young women about how their reproductive system works, debunking myths about ways to prevent conception, and making sure contraceptives can be obtained. If you're not, you can't say you're serious about preventing abortion.

John St Croix

6:37 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

I agree with Dennis.. on the abortion issue and the candidate, who is the only real republican in the race. oh and by the way, the TP never had to have riot police at their rallies. Still don't. HAH.

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ForThePeople

7:24 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

I don't know when this became a referendum on abortion, and I don't hope to convince people that are backwoods, unintelligent amoebas (no offense to amoebas), but here it is:

1) Literally thousands of fertilized eggs are not implanted in the uterus every single day and get flushed down the toilet. You want to be consistent? How about supporting mass implantation and complete your descent into lunacy? I fully expect a memo tomorrow denouncing mother nature and species around the globe for this "senseless murder" along with a donation to pharmaceutical companies to aid implantation drug research.
2) A woman's body has precedence over an embryo. Her life is at stake, her body is at stake, and for all intents and purposes, the embryo is merely a parasite.
3) If you are going to bring a god into an argument, I expect you to be specific about which god and provide proof. We have billions of nutcases around the globe screaming about their own delusion; prove that yours is real and theirs are false.
3b) Knowing that you cannot provide evidence for number 3 because it's a matter of faith, it's just your opinion.

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Dennis Taylor

7:38 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

I bring God, ie, Jesus Christ, into it because I believe that abortion supporters will face a judgement for their crimes. As far as our legal system goes, a man who murders a pregnant woman would be charged with double homicide. We already have laws that protect a baby's right to inheritance as well. You all want it both ways. The baby is a person when attacked, but the baby is not a person when the mother attacks him or her. A baby has DNA that is different from the mother's and is in no way a part of the mother's body. Killing a baby is killing a human. With regards to fertilized eggs not attaching, this is natural and I do not see a guilty party in that. Killing an implanted egg is killing a human. Otherwise, if we consider that the egg may not be viable, we are now in a situation in which, if I kill an old man who may not live through the day, I am innocent as this man's life was not viable past today anyway.

Finally, with regards to proving the existence of Jesus Christ, better men than I have established his life and resurrection. One does not need to believe in Jesus Christ in order to see the evil of killing babies in the womb. Apparently, you you cannot. Let us turn our attention now to the great Christian Obama, the champion of the infant genocide. To me, he clearly cannot be both Christian and a murderer of infants.

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Jan Schmidt

7:17 am on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Since you intrepretation of when life begins is based on your religious leaders beliefs, why not leave the "judgement" to god?

Dennis Taylor

9:55 am on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Jan:

God has already judged the crime of abortion and will punish unrepentant murderers like yourself, should you die unrepentant. You will also face a judgement for advocating this slaughter.

From even a non-religious point of view, how can one argue that a baby at 37 weeks--in the womb--is somehow not a human being, but a 37 weeks old newborn--out of the womb-is fully human?

As far as answering my reasonable charge that you have personally murdered children in your womb, you have laughed to avoid the question. Moreover, you told me that in the case of rape, the egg would likely not implant. I assume that you would kill this utterly innocent child if the egg should implant and grow. Would you?

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John St Croix

6:50 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

Hey Hackbart, can the teaparty beat all this stuff that OWS has done? Like I said, a few incidents you IMAGINE to be attributed to teaparty are NO match when compared to this monumental list of egregious behaviors by your lefty criminals at Occupy...

- 9 deaths, 5 found dead in tents, One found dead after 2 days
- 2 murders (Not counting the protester who strangled his parents and stuffed them in a car)
- Tens of millions of dollars in damages, layoffs, vandalism, law breaking
- Multiple Rapes
- Thousands of arrests for rock throwing and taunting police
- Public masturbation and drug use
- Defecating on police cars and front steps
- Child molestation and baby abuse

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/02/homeland-security-warned-of-tea-party-extremism-but-dhs-report-called-occupiers-peaceful-activists/#comment-601805

And here is a whole WEBSITE of evidence, videos too:
http://www.owsexposed.com/

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rick barasso

8:45 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

I'm sorry but when I see stuff from JSC I can't help but laugh. This is the guy who (I kid you not) said:
"Another scare tactic from the progressives... no basis in fact. And what is wrong with teaching abstinence? It worked for me and for my children."
Now what makes this hilarious, is he claims he has 12 kids!
Who by the way have "never cost taxpayers a dime". I guess they never went to public schools, have guaranteed healthcare for life, and will never be unemployed or collect social security or medicare.
My guess is he missed this video which debunks everything he said about occupy.
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/olbermann-debunking-breitbarts-occupy-rape
But that won't stop him. I'll say this for Teabaggers, they don't let truth get in the way of their arguments.

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John St Croix

9:24 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

The difference is, I have the right to NOT be abstinent... I am not having children OUT OF WEDLOCK. (What an idiotic thing to say on your part rick barasso)

No none of my children went to public schools but I STILL PAID FOR YOURS.

They don't have 'guaranteed health care for life' either...

If they collect social security it will be because they PAID IN.

Wow another pollyanna who thinks the gov't gives us everything... LOL

Ignorance here abounds.

I think I posted enough 'evidence' which is all over the place on TV, the web, YouTube, that there were more than just ONE rape and they were admitted to by the OWSers themselves....

This woman is an Occupier herself... who says there have been MULTIPLE rapes.
http://youtu.be/gGFeJ6gmJAE

Apparently you never saw THESE videos..
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/11/woman-raped-at-occupy-philadelphia/

http://youtu.be/Z7zY3snOYQQ

PS: Crooks and Liars is a liberal propaganda website (and Olbermann a discredited has been talk show host) that is ignoring the scores of rapes that took place at Occupy gatherings. Liberals somehow live in a world of their own where they see nothing that happens around them.. Check the list ricky, you'll be there for 10 years trying to tell us all it's a figment of our imagination.

LOL

And further to show you how dumb these people would LOVE to live in North Korea... where they are starving so badly they are eating their children!
http://youtu.be/BO8-UTpMYPg

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John St Croix

9:25 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

PPS: That is what your criminal of a president/dear leader communist Obama SUPPORTS along with the KKK, ANP, Black Panthers, Louis Farrakhan and a horde of other bad actors...

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David Victory

2:08 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012

@ John

I won't even ask you for links to support these stupid claims. We both know you can't provide them. You're so far gone.

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John St Croix

11:22 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012

Gee David Victory... I've given all the links if you'll scroll below, all there, all proof, all common knowledge. What world do YOU live in? You're so far gone... to the left.. that you will justify any crimes they commit?

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David Victory

1:28 am on Monday, March 5, 2012

@ John

Gee, John, I don't see any links to support "That is what your criminal of a president/dear leader communist Obama SUPPORTS along with the KKK, ANP, Black Panthers, Louis Farrakhan and a horde of other bad actors..." anywhere.

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LJoel Hackbart

11:24 am on Monday, March 5, 2012

Repeating my earlier qustion "how much more far fetched can these delusions [of J.S.C] get"???? Wow! J.S.C raises the bar again! If the "communist", ANP, Black Panthers, and Louis Farrakhan fantasies aren't ridiculous enouigh, he also trys to link Barrack Obama to the KKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Like David Chappelle our president is now another black white supremacist!!!!!!!!!!!!! What else can be said about this sick ,deranged, person.

John St Croix

9:28 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

It is a total absurdity to compare tea parties, which had two bored cops for 4000 people, to this OWS terrorism... and RAP SHEET.

The truth is not part of your lexicon Barasso.

http://biggovernment.com/jjmnolte/2011/10/28/occupywallstreet-the-rap-sheet-so-far/

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jrmetalman

9:38 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

To call Tea party people Teabaggers like that senator from New York and, Rick B. is highly and needlessly insulting! Maybe people who embrace Homosexuality like that disgusting term. As a heterosexual I find that term ascribed to Tea Party guys very, very sickening. Go and enjoy all the Teabagging you can possible stand Rick!!!

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David Victory

2:14 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012

@ Jr.

"Teabagger" is what they initially called themselves:

"The grassroots movement didn't always consider "tea bagger" a slur: Early Tea Partiers innocently embraced the term until they discovered its vulgar connotations."
http://theweek.com/article/index/202620/the-evolution-of-the-word-tea-bagger

And it stuck. I guess they'll choose their labels more carefully next time.

And where did you get the idea that only gay couples can engage in that particular act? Just asking.

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John St Croix

11:24 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012

Liberals only PRETEND to be tolerant of homosexuals... that tolerance is a lie because anyone who was tolerant of homosexuals would never use that condition as a SLUR which they do all the time.. this to me actually shows their hatred and INTOLERANCE for gays... shameful.

Liberals are always about hypocrisy.

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John St Croix

11:25 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012

No tea party person ever used that about themselves... Rachel Maddow used it first....

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David Victory

1:32 am on Monday, March 5, 2012

@ John

"Liberals only PRETEND to be tolerant of homosexuals... that tolerance is a lie because anyone who was tolerant of homosexuals would never use that condition as a SLUR which they do all the time.. this to me actually shows their hatred and INTOLERANCE for gays... shameful."

Good for you for being tolerant of gays! Not really sure what the rest of that post is about, though.

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David Victory

1:39 am on Monday, March 5, 2012

@ John

"No tea party person ever used that about themselves... Rachel Maddow used it first...."

No. "The grassroots movement didn't always consider "tea bagger" a slur: Early Tea Partiers innocently embraced the term until they discovered its vulgar connotations."
http://theweek.com/article/index/202620/the-evolution-of-the-word-tea-bagger

I heard someone refer to themselves as a teabagger. He had tea bags dangling from a colonial tricorn hat. He said "Ima teabagger!" with a big dumb grin. Hilarious.

rick barasso

9:38 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

Your kids weren't the only ones not to go to school. Were they Johnnie boy?
Obama supports the Black Panthers (try to find your way into this century JoJo) and the KKK (maybe you can find your way into the last century at least). You do realize this makes no sense, right. I think I'm done playing with you now. I'm going to try to talk to adults. Enjoy life in Johnnie's World.

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John St Croix

11:18 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012

rick, to you the sky is not blue... that's a very serious way to be... you've deteriorated into name calling instead of facing up to what has been posted here and that means you long ago lost the argument.

rick barasso

9:57 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

To Metalman.
First let me say, I'm sorry you are so Homophobic.....
Secondly, When you Teabaggers start calling it, The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or (PPACA) instead of Obamacare. I'll stop refering to you bunch of old white bigots as teabaggers. How's that for fair?

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ForThePeople

11:30 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

This thread is out of control and beyond any kind of reasonable discussion or fact-based arguments.

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John St Croix

11:21 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012

Those who support OWS can't face the facts so they have resorted to name-calling.

Face it, the few unrelated incidents cited that were done by unidentified individuals who were supposedly (but never proven) 'tea partiers' (and not done in connection to any tea party event or rally) CANNOT be held up against mobs of hundreds of OWSers smashing windows and burning down buildings and attacking cops and pedestrians and doing $20M damage to businesses by smashing windows, spray painting businesses, and defecating in bank lobbies.

Whew.

John St Croix

11:12 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012

The links are everywhere.... not just for the list of crimes... as anyone can find by searching on the web, but the groups who pledged their support for OWS... yes, the KKK, and many other white supremacist groups as well as Farrakhan's group.

You keep saying there are no links, but it's like living in a forest and claiming you cannot see any trees... LOL Everyone is laughing at you.. it's common knowledge and was all over the web when it happened. You have to be asleep or in denial. I am sure you are in denial.
Here you go.. here's the list. Add David Duke... LOL

http://biggovernment.com/publius/2011/10/31/the-99-the-official-list-of-occupywallstreets-supporters-sponsors-and-sympathizers/

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ForThePeople

11:49 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012

You just linked us to an Andrew Breitbart website. This is the same guy that bungled the ACORN entrapment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACORN_2009_undercover_videos_controversy

Are you going to link us to Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity next?

John St Croix

11:13 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012

Everything I have posted about OWS, its crimes, its supporters, ALL FACT.

So, defend them if you will... we'll just add you to the list of questionable people who support OWS, including our ne'er do well president.

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LJoel Hackbart

9:55 am on Monday, March 5, 2012

I remember watching the great comedian Dane Cook on stage and he told a story about getting called on a lie.The gist of the story was about digging in deeper and deeper with bigger and bigger lies.........The first guy bumps into a second guy he
knew in the street. The second guy invites him to a party. He didn't really like the
second guy and had no intention of going to the party but said O.K. He then stayed
at home and watched T.V. He bumped into the second guy the next day.The second guy inquired "why weren't you at the party?" The first guy doubles down on his original lie-"I was on my way, but my car broke down," he said, as the fabrication grew larger. Sometime latter, the second guy runs into a third guy.The third guy tells the second- "I drove by his house that evening , looked in his window and saw him
watching T.V." The second guy goes to the first guy and tells him what the third guy said...... Caught red handed? Game over? Time to confess? No . The first
guy then says " I was not at home, What he saw that night was a hologram"...........
This story popped into my head the other day when reading J.S.C's posts.
The similarity is striking. J.S.C. starts out with an absurd lie. "No teapartyer ever
had so much as a parking ticket". He, to his dismay, is confronted with links giving
numerous examples of tea party violence. Rather than just say " O.K. I was
wrong but..." and move on, he doubles down on the original lie....................

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LJoel Hackbart

9:57 am on Monday, March 5, 2012

.........".No tea party member ever had a parking ticket." Show him a link of tea party members stomping on a womens head at a Rand Paul rally, rather than simply admit "well O.K.You got me. I was wrong", he digs his heels in deeper. "Oh those wern't true tea party members" Or an even more proposterous excuse, "they didn't
happen at tea party rallys." Well Da!!!!!!!!! Tell J.S.C. no one ever claimed tea partyers commited acts of violence against themselves!!!!! Is he claiming
right wing violence outside of those events doesn't count? How convenant
his ground rules are!

It is plainly obvious to the rational [J.S.C. not among them] that the far right
[Breitbart{the late} "Faux News" and the coroprate media] had launched
an unprecedented blitzkrieg to attempt to discredit the occupy movement.
Nonetheless I am not stupid enough to say something like "occupy members
never had a parking ticket" Any protest of this nature will be infiltrated by
trouble makers and crime. But this by and large peaceful movement's message
resonates with the people and that embarrasses J.S.C. and the far right to no end.

John St Croix

12:33 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

ForThePeople: I'm not sure what that has to do with the list of supporters -- a list you asked for - that gives actual links to the source, which is the websites of those supporters where they say themselves they support OWS?

(For the record, AB did not bungle anything.. ACORN was dismantled and is now working under a different name, albeit doing the same thing.)

You've been given the proof, now either embrace it or denounce it. Your avoidance of the facts is telling. Wikipedia is an opinion website that anyone can post to. I could change that whole page right now if I wanted to... so it's not as good as the organizations and people themselves who have supported OWS openly...

Go to the sources... they have been provided for you.

(I'm sure we'll continue to hear crickets from ForThePeople on this one LOL)

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ForThePeople

12:43 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

I'm not objecting to the list of donations as being without fact. Anyone can donate anything to any campaign. Look at the Koch brothers buying off the Republican Party, or Grover Norquist manipulating the teabaggers. My amusement was your sources are clearly a Republican plant, who bungled an entrapment.

John St Croix

12:49 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

It's not necessarily DONATIONS, but who said they SUPPORTED the OWS crowds and what they were doing... get that?

Your reference to Koch and Norquist, which are not even true by the way, have nothing to do with the POINT which is, you asked me for info you said did not exist and I gave it to you. Smoke and mirrors.

(The Koch brothers haven't "bought off" the Republican Party - and in fact are in league with those pushing the dastardly Agenda 21, nor has Grover Norquist manipulated the teaparty -- at least not in NH where most of the TP leaders have no clue who that is..and where the tea party is pure and original as the 2007 movement and doesn't take money or outside influence of any kind -- you might be thinking of the 2009 fakers)

There was no bungling of anything with ACORN who did and said exactly what it did on those videos (murder, prostitution, etc) - yet another thing that has NOTHING to do with what I gave you.

Again you are sidestepping the issue here which is, do you ALSO support these OWS criminals who are in league with other violent hate groups?

I think we all know the answer. SO you can stop posting things that have no bearing on the question and answer.

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ForThePeople

5:17 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

I have no control over which groups sympathize with Occupy Wall Street- even hate groups. One hate group that doesn't support Occupy Wall Street is… wait for it…

Republicans.

rick barasso

4:15 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

Obviously, there is no enlightening JSC. He seems to be a paranoid, pessimistic, miserable guy, in other words a conservative Republican. I fear he's about to blow a gasket. I think we'd better go easy on him. After all, it is like playing a game of peek-a-boo with a child, there is no winning the game.

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John St Croix

11:09 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

I'm fine, feel wonderful, and love life... and I don't need to lie and pretend things don't exist or didn't happen like YOU do... now THAT's a sign of mental instability and imbalance and perhaps depression or at least serious denial.... you ought to seek help for that soon.

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John St Croix

11:10 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

And of course ForThePeople makes no sense again with comparisons and comments that have no bearing on his ability to deflect the truth that he cannot disprove. LOL it's pretty funny actually.

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John St Croix

11:12 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

If "being enlightened" means overlooking the plethora of evidence that OWS is a criminal communist operation with the most dastardly followers (including Pelosi and Obama) then I guess I'm better off no being 'enlightened'... which I guess means brainwashed, as so many of you here seem to be...

Sky is blue? Nope according to ricky and FTP, it's green. What a joke.

ForThePeople

5:34 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlKMy65dyz4&feature=related

George Carlin talks about the Reagan Administration Republicans, the Christian right, and more. It's surprisingly relevant today.

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John St Croix

11:08 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

This is where progressives get their political information -- from comedians.. LOL

ForThePeople

9:59 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/08/opinion-from-a-faith-leader-why-i-fight-to-uphold-traditional-marriage/

Today's right-wing Christian bigotry article. An excerpt by Reverend Kenneth Hutcherson,
"Although a miniscule percent (less than a tenth of one percent) of Canadians have taken advantage of same sex marriage, you cannot speak against homosexuality without being threatened with prosecution for committing a hate crime. Thus the Bible is true. If you don’t stand against sin it will destroy a society."

I realize it doesn't make any sense. They never do…

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Dennis Taylor

10:19 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

What part of "if you don't stand against sin it will destroy a society" don't you all get? I suppose, for example, if Obama lied to us all, broke federal and state laws along the way with a fake birth certificate, you would give him a pass and not send him to jail for the rest of his life? His sin, were this to be the case, would have had enormous implication for our society in terms of the public perception of fairness in our elections. Trust in the president would take a big hit as well. A liar and a felon as a leader is probably a bad idea, don't you agree? I think we need to get the president into a federal or state court and let Arapaio present his case, if he has one. If not, we will wait and see if there is anothe challenge. I want my elected leaders to face the same standards the rest of us face, don't you agree?

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John St Croix

11:07 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012

OH I couldn't resist.. here are more of Obama's people doing more crimes just the other day..

http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_20091166?IADID=Search-www.insidebayarea.com-www.insidebayarea.com

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David Victory

1:41 am on Thursday, March 8, 2012

@ John

More lies from the liar. The Occupy movement never endorsed President Obama.

News Flash

8:59 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012

Obama Losing Likeability?
http://nation.foxnews.com/barack-obama/2012/08/27/obama-losing-likeability

Too many visits to NH, too much exposure on Radio and TV. 24 hour Obama, well people are sick of it.

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News Flash

9:33 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012

Lack of Likeability-Maybe its that Anti-Obama Movie making the round to a theater near you.
Obama’s America’ Turns Hollywood on Its Ear
http://nation.foxnews.com/dinesh-dsouza/2012/08/27/2016-obama-s-america-turns-hollywood-its-ear.

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News Flash

10:11 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012

Americans do not like FAILURE, that is why his likeability is down.

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rick barasso

10:23 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012

If they don't like failure, explain how Romney is the Republican Nominee?
Again, I'll give you another opportunity to tell us of Romney's successes as Governor of Massachusetts...

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