Hassan: NH 'Can No Longer Pretend' Gambling Isn't Coming
Public hearing on NH casino bill gets heated as pros and cons examined.
The cries for and against expanded gambling were loud Tuesday at the New Hampshire Statehouse, with close to 20 people testifying over three hours on Senate Bill 152.
SB152 primary sponsor Sen. Lou D'Allesandro (D-Manchester), joined co-sponsors Sens. Chuck Morse (R-Salem) and Jim Rausch (R-Derry) during the Senate Ways and Means Committee hearing.
Gov. Maggie Hassan started off the hearing and stayed consistent with her budget presentation from Feb. 14 in getting behind the legislation.
"Across New Hampshire our citizens have made it clear that a high-end casino is their preferred way to increase state support for our priorities," she said.
"We can no longer pretend that gambling isn't coming to our communities," Hassan added. "It is already here."
Hassan voiced a sense of urgency given the competition in Massachusetts with 11 hopefuls gunning for three bids.
"It will bring an estimated 2,000 construction jobs and more than a thousand permanent jobs to New Hampshire," she said.
D'Allesandro outlined the entire bill, which will include a 10-year license awarded to one bidder. Fees include an $80 million license fee paid upon the issuance of the license, a $500,000 initial application fee and $100,000 to the Attorney General for its character and fitness review.
A $425 million minimum capital investment is also required within five years of approval.
Despite D'Allesandro's analysis of what he sees as the bill's positives, District 21 Sen. Martha Fuller-Clark (D-Portsmouth) kicked off opposition to the bill, insisting that a casino needs to stay out of the Granite State.
"I believe that gambling is the wrong solution to ensure economic security and to increase jobs," she said. "Across the country promised revenues of gambling have failed time and time again to materialize."
The deliberations reached a fever pitch during the lengthy hearing when Deputy Attorney General Ann Rice came out to oppose the legislation on behalf of her office.
Rice said that the "door is open for additional casinos" in the state once the gaming legislation is passed.
She added that casinos generally impact a 50-mile radius, and that she isn't sure bringing gambling to New Hampshire is the way to address problems already coming up from Massachusetts given that radius of impact.
Morse, the bill co-sponsor, barked back at Rice, demanding to know whether the N.H. Attorney General went down to stop the casinos in Massachusetts.
Rice said that Attorney General Michael Delaney did not go down to Massachusetts.
Throughout the hearing, Morse asked naysayers how they would balance the budget without the gaming revenue proposed in Hassan's budget.
Ashley Pratte, executive director at Cornerstone Policy Research and Cornerstone Action, said that it's imperative to balance the budget through "cutting spending," and not through what she referred to as "illegal activities."
She called a casino in the state an "act of desperation" in the search to find new revenue opportunities.
Testifying together on behalf of the state's North Country were Sen. Jeff Woodburn (D-Dalton) and Gorham Selectman Paul Robitaille.
A total of 30 percent of net machine income in SB152 will be distributed to various areas of need in the state. A total of 25 percent of the 30 percent will be broken up further, with 10 percent of that total going to North Country economic development.
The other 90 percent will be split evenly between higher education and infrastructure.
Woodburn said he is happy with the North Country assistance.
"(I'm) urging people to come to Coos County, look my people in the eye and say this risk is too great," he said in favor of the bill.
Many testified on the negative impacts that Hollywood Casino in Bangor, Maine and Oxford, Maine Casino have had on New Hampshire, such as milking lottery dollars from towns near that border.
A final presentation from N.H. Center for Public Policy Studies Executive Director Steve Norton said that annual revenues for Hollywood Casino have been north of $60 million per year. Oxford, Maine Casino opened last June and is an hour drive from North Conway, N.H.
He also broke down the casino contenders in Massachusetts as of Jan. 15, which include four applicants in the western part of the state, three in the greater Boston area and two slot parlor contenders in the southeastern region.
Norton said that a casino at Rockingham Park will have 6.4 million people within a 90-minute drive time, all with an aggregate income of $232 million.
Lobbyist Henry Vellieux, agent for the Granite State Coalition Against Expanded Gambling, called himself the "skunk at the picnic," saying that the N.H. casino market is limited to a "local convenience" at the casino.
"We wont have the type of casino that is going to bring a lot of out-of-state money to N.H.," Vellieux said.
He cited numbers of 10,000 new gambling addicted that would be created by a casino in Salem specifically, adding that a facility would also have a cannibalization effect on local businesses.
Lobbying for the other side of the coin was James Demers of Millennium Gaming, who said that Massachusetts was the 41st state in the country to approve casino gambling.
"This isn't something that we're inventing something brand new," he said.
"If we do nothing, 80 million must be cut from the budget, but really another 46 million needs to be cut as well from existing revenues that wont exist in this state once Massachusetts casinos are open."
Demers said there is a "competitive advantage" to having a casino in N.H open first, given that customers are loyal to a casino that they visit.
Other details of the bill, which were outlined in a press conference with Morse, D'Allesandro and Rausch prior to the meeting, include 3 percent of the percentage of net machine income going to the host municipality, 1 percent going to the abutting municipalities and 1 percent going to the Commissioner of the Department of Health and Human Services for the gaming problem support programs.
Victor Grund
3:47 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
There will be Casinos in every state soon, none doing well because there is only so much market for this form of entertainment. This seems like a race to the bottom.
Keith F Thompson
4:04 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
This IS a race to the bottom, pure and simple.
This is what we deserve, NH.
On the right, we have idealogues who take the unreasonable position that we can cut our way out of this.
On the left, we have enablers who haven't had the courage to tell the people of NH the truth, that we have to do the moral thing and pay for what we want.
NH voters have been voting for which ever side tells them what they want to hear, believing they had no tough decisions to make.
So here we are, getting exactly what we deserve. At best, gambling is a stop-gap measure that does nothing to address the cause of our problems. At worst, it piles new social problems on the ones we already say we can't afford to fix, while the problems we should be fixing are festering and getting worse (and more expensive to fix).
Whatever NH advantage that might have still existed, we are losing in this massive screw up.
Jim Rubens
4:15 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Like brick and mortar chain bookstores casinos are a declining Rust Belt business about to get crushed by internet gambling. For the state to predicate spending promises and to hook our economy to casinos is the height of short sightedness.
Underwater Couple
4:36 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Do we mean that democrats will not blocks casinos this time. They have done this since 2005.
Jeff Hatch
4:55 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
The last time around this bill failed because the House Republicans didn't support it. My guess if it fails this time it will be for the same reason. Just look at the Salem Reps and how they're going to vote. I expect 4/5 out of the 9 to vote no, take a walk or have an appointment...
Riley Reid
5:44 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Jeff is right. Salem Republican Reps did NOTHING the last time this came up except vote NO or leave the house chamber like Garcia did. Go back and check how they voted, it's still on the web page
Around Town
5:34 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
If The town of Salem voter's vote in the affirmative as a response to the upcoming non-binding question on the ballot then we as citizen's expect all representative's to support any expanded gambling bill's in concord!
Riley Reid
5:41 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Ashley Pratte, executive director at Cornerstone Policy Research and Cornerstone Action, said that it's imperative to balance the budget through "cutting spending," and not through what she referred to as "illegal activities."
Ah the words that come out of kids mouths!! Why do some of these kids right out of college with limited job experience who still live at home with mommy and daddy while they pay off their student loans think they know what's right for working middle class families in NH
Jeff Hatch
6:19 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
I wouldn't say All of Salem's reps did nothing half of them voted for it and the other half didn't or had an appointment.
Riley Reid
6:42 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
I'll stick with ALL. No one from Salem got up and spoke in favor of it or tried to gather support from other reps.
Jeff Hatch
6:49 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Your wrong on that one. Gary Azarian, worked very hard on that bill and tried to sway his fellow reps to support it. As one of the co-writers of that bill he did indeed stand at the podium in the house chamber and speak in favor of the bill.
Riley Reid
7:41 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Your right, I forgot about him.
Underwater Couple
7:06 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
House Bill 593 dated 3/29/12
236 NAY
108 YEA
Didn't matter what Salem Reps did one way or the other.
Underwater Couple
7:29 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
To all those that are Pro Casino/Gambling:
As of today 2/19/13
We have a DEMOCRAT Governor
We have a DEMOCRAT controlled House
We have a Republican controlled Senate
The Republican controlled Senate will pass a Casino/Gambling Bill
The Governor supports a Casino/Gambling Bill
If a Casino/Gambling Bill does not pass it will be the DEMOCRATS FAULT.
Underwater Couple
7:59 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Furthermore, Hassan has a well earned reputation of counting revenues before they hatch (remember that 800 million deficit). So either a lot of DEMOCRATS vote Yea or expect another FIASCO of an unbalanced State Budget.
Jeff Hatch
8:27 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
so the last 2 yrs
We had a Democrat Gov
We had a Republican controlled Senate
We had a Super Majority Republican Controlled House
Did it pass then NO and we could've passed without the help of one Democrat vote. But no and the vote wasn't even close. Will the votes be there this time maybe at best.
Underwater Couple
8:35 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Nothing at all to do with the marshmallow on gambling who was running for Governor on the Republican side. He didn't influence votes.
Riley Reid
8:39 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
I just read in a Maine newspaper that the "Marshmallow" shot the 8th largest deer during last years hunting season!
Underwater Couple
8:57 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
All up to the DEMOCRATS in the House. No doubt a lot will be swayed by Hassan and budget issues. Enough to pass, I don't know.
Jeff Hatch
9:11 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
I disagree, I think the no votes are going to come from the Republican side
Underwater Couple
9:27 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
In any case if no gambling, Democrats and Hassan will be cornered like RATS. The now well publicized budget deficit of 800 million will rear its very ugly head again. Now that the general populace is aware of that issue Democrats will NOT be able to lie their way out.
To summarize it all, if there is no gambling sit back and watch democrats SQUIRM. Could be quite enjoyable.
Atlant Schmidt
8:08 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
> The now well publicized budget deficit of 800 million will rear its
> very ugly head again.
"Well publicized" but still untrue, as is the case with so many Republican "facts".
Riley Reid
10:16 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
A fox 25 Boston survey tonight says that most MA residents believe NH will have a casino long before MA does.
salem needs help
10:43 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Looking over the expanded gambling bill. It seems that they overlook table games. It looks like the town that gets the casino only gets 3 percent of the proceeds from video gaming nothing else. No card games roulette and off track betting. Just 3 percent from the video machines. What if they only have 100 video machines and 1000 table games?
Proud Conservative
6:25 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
NH needs a state sales tax in order to get some bucks from the tourists who invade this state 365 days a year. Instead of draining the wallets of residents, let's grab more of the tourists' dollars.
JP
10:41 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Can't argue with that, but there's no way this will ever happen.
Apljak
10:55 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
I think that we would lose huge revenue from non-NH consumers if a NH sales tax were instituted.
Fortunately, I agree, I don't think it will happen.
What we need is a more business-friendly legislature to drive the NH economy.
While it is hard to believe, NH is similar to MA circa 1990. MA is actually a more business friendly state to do business in. Hopefully, NH will get its act together.
Jim Rubens
10:03 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Salem will not get help from casinos because the 3% from slots (correct, none from table games) will not be enough to cover increased costs of roads, water, sewer, police, social services, schools. And because of competition from bigger, flashier, Mass casinos, all located closer to bigger populations, the 3% will come from a casino slot tax base much smaller than a few years ago. Plus, casinos are a declining, rust-belt business, where revenues are in secular, long term decline, so Salem will be stuck with costs and decling tax revenues.